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Billiards is a good game (1975)

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Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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A more difficult variant is snooker, played on a 12ft x 6ft table with tighter pockets and smaller balls. It can be frustrating to play well, but when you "get it", it really is a beautiful game to play, and a real mental workout. For anyone interested, Ronnie O'Sullivan is the best ever player, and his YouTube highlights are worth a watch: https://youtu.be/PE8XPHnCNpg - makes the game look incredibly easy, but I ass…

Wow this felt magical to watch, thank you for sharing it.

Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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My father, who died in 2010, would play Yahoo Games Pool and was good at it. It is all angles and physics and good for the brain.

This is a complete tangent, but I would note that we don't have physical models nearly good enough to actually compute the way billiards balls (or even worse, snooker balls) interact with each other and the fabric on the table. It's all guesswork and experience, mostly. The interactions between the balls and the fabric are critical for the vast majority of the movements, and they are far too complex for any physical…

Is this because of imperfections in the fabric? Golf has a similar situation where if you use a machine to roll a ball on a perfect line and speed, sometimes it won’t go in. This is because of imperfections in the gradient and that grass changes constantly as it slowly grows and bends towards light, etc.

Wow now that’s a tangent to a tangent!

Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering he was Jewish it seems unlikely?

You have to admit, it’s a strange comment though.

It's fine. Stop seeing race, ethnicity everywhere. Just be more chill and not get triggered by everything, we don't have to police language. People should be able to say whatever they want

Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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It's also one of the hardest games (sports) mentally, you can sit for a few minutes or few breakes and all you can do is wait for opponent to make a mistake - or play a safe. All you can do is try to stay focused and positive, not sulking over mistake you just made that might've lost you the whole match, to not mess up a chance when it comes.

Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a complete tangent, but I would note that we don't have physical models nearly good enough to actually compute the way billiards balls (or even worse, snooker balls) interact with each other and the fabric on the table. It's all guesswork and experience, mostly. The interactions between the balls and the fabric are critical for the vast majority of the movements, and they are far too complex for any physical…

Is this because of imperfections in the fabric? Golf has a similar situation where if you use a machine to roll a ball on a perfect line and speed, sometimes it won’t go in. This is because of imperfections in the gradient and that grass changes constantly as it slowly grows and bends towards light, etc. Wow now that’s a tangent to a tangent!

There was still ongoing dispute between pool and snooker players whether playing side spin on white ball affects angle of the object ball hit by the white (ignoring deflection, just the spin transfer).

In real life it depends on the tables bed, banks, cloth (different material, speed, whether it's clean or dirty, it's 'mileage', air temperature and humidity...), balls, cue and of course human factor.

Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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post #19

A more difficult variant is snooker, played on a 12ft x 6ft table with tighter pockets and smaller balls. It can be frustrating to play well, but when you "get it", it really is a beautiful game to play, and a real mental workout. For anyone interested, Ronnie O'Sullivan is the best ever player, and his YouTube highlights are worth a watch: https://youtu.be/PE8XPHnCNpg - makes the game look incredibly easy, but I ass…

Ronnie might be the best but I’ve always enjoyed Mark Williams style of play more. The whole of the “Class of 92” are beyond special though.

Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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post #24

It's also one of the hardest games (sports) mentally, you can sit for a few minutes or few breakes and all you can do is wait for opponent to make a mistake - or play a safe. All you can do is try to stay focused and positive, not sulking over mistake you just made that might've lost you the whole match, to not mess up a chance when it comes.

Sort of like batting against peak Pedro. Just wait for him to err, if not you're toast.

Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to admit, it’s a strange comment though.

It's fine. Stop seeing race, ethnicity everywhere. Just be more chill and not get triggered by everything, we don't have to police language. People should be able to say whatever they want

On the other hand, OP asked a question and you seem to be the one policing language in response.

Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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post #25
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this because of imperfections in the fabric? Golf has a similar situation where if you use a machine to roll a ball on a perfect line and speed, sometimes it won’t go in. This is because of imperfections in the gradient and that grass changes constantly as it slowly grows and bends towards light, etc. Wow now that’s a tangent to a tangent!

There was still ongoing dispute between pool and snooker players whether playing side spin on white ball affects angle of the object ball hit by the white (ignoring deflection, just the spin transfer). In real life it depends on the tables bed, banks, cloth (different material, speed, whether it's clean or dirty, it's 'mileage', air temperature and humidity...), balls, cue and of course human factor.

seems like you could test this. simply line up a very easy (and repeatable) combination shot with the two object balls really close to each other and vary the contact and spin as needed. the closer the cue ball to the first object ball will mean that you could minimise the impact of deflection. have to try it next time I'm near a pool table!

I've always assumed that deflection, swerve and throw were a given but sounds like they're debating the "throw" part?

Re: Billiards is a good game (1975)

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post #19

A more difficult variant is snooker, played on a 12ft x 6ft table with tighter pockets and smaller balls. It can be frustrating to play well, but when you "get it", it really is a beautiful game to play, and a real mental workout. For anyone interested, Ronnie O'Sullivan is the best ever player, and his YouTube highlights are worth a watch: https://youtu.be/PE8XPHnCNpg - makes the game look incredibly easy, but I ass…

Billiards doesn't have pockets. Pool ("pocket billiards") has pockets.

You can see a billiard table in the background of the photo, behind the pool table.

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