> Losing the system due to power shenanigans is a risk I accept. There is another (very rare) failure an ups protects against, and that's imbalance in the electricity. You can get a spike (up or down, both can be destructive) if there is construction in your area and something happens with the electricity, or lightning hits a pylon close enough to your house. First job I worked at had multiple servers die like that,…
Isn't this what a surge protector is for?
My 71 TiB ZFS NAS After 10 Years and Zero Drive Failures
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Re: My 71 TiB ZFS NAS After 10 Years and Zero Drive Failures
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> Data integrity is the natural expectation humans have from computers I've said it once, and I'll say it again: the only reason ZFS isn't the norm is because we all once lived through a primordial era when it didn't exist. No serious person designing a filesystem today would say it's okay to misplace your data. Not long ago, on this forum, someone told me that ZFS is only good because it had no competitors in its sp…
How are the memory overheads of ZFS these days? In the old days, I remember balking at the extra memory required to run ZFS on the little ARM board I was using for a NAS.
Re: My 71 TiB ZFS NAS After 10 Years and Zero Drive Failures
#153> Losing the system due to power shenanigans is a risk I accept. There is another (very rare) failure an ups protects against, and that's imbalance in the electricity. You can get a spike (up or down, both can be destructive) if there is construction in your area and something happens with the electricity, or lightning hits a pylon close enough to your house. First job I worked at had multiple servers die like that,…
Re: My 71 TiB ZFS NAS After 10 Years and Zero Drive Failures
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Data integrity is the natural expectation humans have from computers I've said it once, and I'll say it again: the only reason ZFS isn't the norm is because we all once lived through a primordial era when it didn't exist. No serious person designing a filesystem today would say it's okay to misplace your data. Not long ago, on this forum, someone told me that ZFS is only good because it had no competitors in its sp…
The reason ZFS isn't the norm is because it historically was difficult to set up. Outside of NAS solutions, it's only since Ubuntu 20.04 it has been supported out of the box on any high profile customer facing OS. The reliability of the early versions was also questionable, with high zsys cpu usage and some times arcane commands needed to rebuild pools. Anecdotally, I've had to support lots of friends with zfs issues…
Or do you think people simply stopped paying attention?
Re: My 71 TiB ZFS NAS After 10 Years and Zero Drive Failures
#155I’ve heard the exact opposite advice (keep the drives running to reduce wear from power cycling). Not sure what to believe, but I like having my ZFS NAS running so it can regularly run scrubs and check the data. FWIW, I’ve run my 4 drive system for 10 years with 2 drive failures in that time, but they were not enterprise grade drives (WD Green).
>Not sure what to believe Keep them running. Why?: * The read/write heads experience literally next to no wear while they are floating above the platters. They physically land onto shelves or onto landing zones on the platters themselves when turned off; landing and takeoff are by far the most wear the heads will suffer. * Following on the above, in the worst case the read/write heads might be torn off during takeoff…
In the case of the IronWolf NAS drives in my home server, that's 600,000.
I spin the drives down after 20 minutes of no activity, which I feel is a good balance between having them be too thrashy and saving energy. After 3 years I'm at about 60,000 load unload cycles.
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Just checked my scrub history, for 20TB on consumer hardware during the last two years it repaired twice around 2 and 4 blocks each time. So not much but at the same time with a special kind of luck might have been on an encrypted archive ^^.
That's all fine and good until that one random lone broken block stops you from opening that file you really need.
Re: My 71 TiB ZFS NAS After 10 Years and Zero Drive Failures
#160Is anyone using it around here?