The name "OpenAI" is a contraction since they don't seem "open" in any way. The only way I see "open" applying is "open for business."
Will this ever die? It feels like every time a post is made about OpenAI that someone loves to mention it.
OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought
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#82The name "OpenAI" is a contraction since they don't seem "open" in any way. The only way I see "open" applying is "open for business."
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
isn't it such that saying something is anti-competitive doesn't necessarily mean 'in violation of antitrust laws'? it usually implies it, but I think you can be anti-competitive without breaking any rules (or laws). I do think it's sort of unproductive/inflammatory in the OP, it isn't really nefarious not to want people to have easy access to your secret sauce.
In what sense is not giving your competitors ammunition "anti-competitive"? That seems pretty competitive to me. More to the point: it's almost universally how competition in our economy actually works.
fwiw I agree with what you're getting at with your original response. maybe I'm arguing semantics.
the more I think about your point that this is just competitive behavior the more I question what the term anti-competive even means
Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought
#84Okay this is just getting suspicious. Their excuses for keeping the chain of thought hidden are dubious at best [1], and honestly just seemed anti-competitive if anything. Worst is their argument that they want to monitor it for attempts to escape the prompt, but you can't. However the weirdest is that they note that: > for this to work the model must have freedom to express its thoughts in unaltered form, so we cann…
What do you mean, "anti-competitive"? There is no rule of competition that says you need to reveal trade secrets to your competitors.
Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought
#85The name "OpenAI" is a contraction since they don't seem "open" in any way. The only way I see "open" applying is "open for business."
Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought
#86The name "OpenAI" is a contraction since they don't seem "open" in any way. The only way I see "open" applying is "open for business."
Will this ever die? It feels like every time a post is made about OpenAI that someone loves to mention it.
Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought
#87How do they recognise someone is asking the naughty questions? What qualifies as naughty? And is banning people for asking naughty questions seriously their idea of safeguarding against naughty queries?
Of course the deeply specific answers to any of these questions are going to be unanswerable but anyone inside OpenAI.
Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought
#88Would be funny if there was a human in the loop that they're trying to hide
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems like the best AI models are increasingly just combinations of writings of various people thrown together. Like they hired a few hundred professors, journalists and writers to work with the model and create material for it, so you just get various combinations of their contributions. It's very telling that this model, for instance, is extraordinarily good at STEM related queries, but much worse (and worse eve…
Do you have a source about OpenAI hiring a few hundred professors, journalists and writers? Because I honestly doubt.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean, "anti-competitive"? There is no rule of competition that says you need to reveal trade secrets to your competitors.
you can use chatgpt to learn about anything ... except how an ai like chatgpt work.