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Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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The name "OpenAI" is a contraction since they don't seem "open" in any way. The only way I see "open" applying is "open for business."

Will this ever die? It feels like every time a post is made about OpenAI that someone loves to mention it.

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Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't it such that saying something is anti-competitive doesn't necessarily mean 'in violation of antitrust laws'? it usually implies it, but I think you can be anti-competitive without breaking any rules (or laws). I do think it's sort of unproductive/inflammatory in the OP, it isn't really nefarious not to want people to have easy access to your secret sauce.

In what sense is not giving your competitors ammunition "anti-competitive"? That seems pretty competitive to me. More to the point: it's almost universally how competition in our economy actually works.

I think maybe we're just disagreeing on a legal interpretation vs a more literal interpretation of a term that is thrown around somewhat loosely.

fwiw I agree with what you're getting at with your original response. maybe I'm arguing semantics.

the more I think about your point that this is just competitive behavior the more I question what the term anti-competive even means

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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Okay this is just getting suspicious. Their excuses for keeping the chain of thought hidden are dubious at best [1], and honestly just seemed anti-competitive if anything. Worst is their argument that they want to monitor it for attempts to escape the prompt, but you can't. However the weirdest is that they note that: > for this to work the model must have freedom to express its thoughts in unaltered form, so we cann…

What do you mean, "anti-competitive"? There is no rule of competition that says you need to reveal trade secrets to your competitors.

you can use chatgpt to learn about anything ... except how an ai like chatgpt work.

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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The name "OpenAI" is a contraction since they don't seem "open" in any way. The only way I see "open" applying is "open for business."

This is a tired and trite comment that appears on every mention of OpenAI but contributes little to the discussion.

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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post #60

The name "OpenAI" is a contraction since they don't seem "open" in any way. The only way I see "open" applying is "open for business."

Will this ever die? It feels like every time a post is made about OpenAI that someone loves to mention it.

No, it will probably never die. It is reinforced by the dissonance between their name and early philosophy and their current actions.

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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How do they recognise someone is asking the naughty questions? What qualifies as naughty? And is banning people for asking naughty questions seriously their idea of safeguarding against naughty queries?

The model will often recognise a request is part of whatever ${naughty_list} it was trained on and generate a refusal response. Banning seems more aimed at preventing working around this by throwing massive volume at it to see what eventually slips through, as requiring a new payment account integration puts a "significantly better than doing nothing" hamper on that type of exploiting. I.e. their goal isn't to have abuse be 0 or shut down the service, it's to mitigate the scale of impact from inevitable exploits.

Of course the deeply specific answers to any of these questions are going to be unanswerable but anyone inside OpenAI.

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the best AI models are increasingly just combinations of writings of various people thrown together. Like they hired a few hundred professors, journalists and writers to work with the model and create material for it, so you just get various combinations of their contributions. It's very telling that this model, for instance, is extraordinarily good at STEM related queries, but much worse (and worse eve…

Do you have a source about OpenAI hiring a few hundred professors, journalists and writers? Because I honestly doubt.

just look at what the major labelers are selling - it is exactly that. go to scale ai’s page

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean, "anti-competitive"? There is no rule of competition that says you need to reveal trade secrets to your competitors.

you can use chatgpt to learn about anything ... except how an ai like chatgpt work.

You can use Google to search about anything, except the precise details about how the Google search rankings work.
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