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Man I’d love to get this semi-affordably in Europe. Such a cool product. I use a Cafelat Robot for my morning brew and it’s consistently the highlight of my day. Manual espresso rules

I don't really see the advantage compared to your Cafelat Robot, or a Flair.

Seems like fun, nothing more nothing less.

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Why E61 though? Strictly the most annoying type of group especially for home use.

Was just going to comment on this. Sure it’s “the standard”, but it has so many downsides for home usage. Just stick with the standard 58mm portafilter but ditch the ancient e61.

What are the downsides? I had one for about a decade (a heat exchanger machine) and never had any issue with it. I've been thinking about getting back into espresso and an e61 would be something I look for mostly because I'm comfortable with it.

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Do you know of any resources to help learn bicycles? I wish I could tune my own bicycle but can't seem to figure it out. I can build my own computer, change the oil in my car, paint a house, etc. but my bicycle always befuddles me.

Can anyone explain how this is still a valid question in 2024 with all of the resources we have at our disposal? Google, Youtube, books, ChatGPT.

They are looking for specific recommendations. There are lots of resources out there and Sturgeon's Law means it's still difficult to find really great sources.

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You don't know what I am calling a good coffee. I appreciate some people don't like particularly sour coffee because it's unusual for them but you can do a lot better than nespresso in the realm of that style of darker roast coffee too. It's really simple, people are happy with it because actually good coffee is so rare that they have nothing to compare against. I also doubt most of these people have ever drank a wel…

> I appreciate some people don't like particularly sour coffee Is that normal in 'good' espresso? I've had some coffee from shops with a particularly sour taste and I don't like it. It's not really because it's 'unusual' to me, I just really don't like it. PS: I don't drink it with milk nor sugar. Just plain espresso with nothing (just in the morning I do like it americano with water). I like the strong taste and I h…

Some level of acidity is normal in any coffee, an increased level is common to lighter roasts. You can get a good darker roast espresso which won't be very noticeably acidic or you can get a good lighter roast espresso which tastes like fruit juice. At that point it's a personal preference.

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I was at the China Trade Expo at the Los Angeles Convention Center 2 days ago. A brand called Java sold automated espresso machines (huge, nearly commercial stuff) for $140. It made a great espresso as well. DIY sounds fun but I'd rather spend $140 and call it a day.

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I have a Consumer Reports subscription and I’ve seen countless videos on YouTube about espresso machines, but after all these years I still don’t own one.

I’m not an enthusiast. I just want a high quality espresso machine that makes consistently good espresso shots. I’m never going to be someone who wants to spend 15-30 minutes on creating a shot of espresso.

I’m bewildered that a machine that makes hot water push at high pressure through a puck of grounds costs more than a high-end computer.

What do people buy who don’t decant the smell of their own farts who just want an espresso machine?

What’s the ATH-M50 or the IBM Model M of espresso machines?

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You can get a similar machine (Quick Mill Carola) for the same price, assembled. To scratch the hacker itch, you can get a much cheaper machine (Gaggia Classic Pro, Rancillio Silvia) and install a PID (a computer to control most of the brewing parameters). I understand the appeal to "hackers", but if you just want coffee, there are more, proven reliable, less expensive, options.

That's a great deal and a very nice machine, but it isn't really the same in the sense that the Carola is a PID machine, but not a pressure profiling machine. I've used a non-pressure-profiling machine for years, and it's great, but pressure profiles are the current area of innovation for espresso machines and hacking.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Was just going to comment on this. Sure it’s “the standard”, but it has so many downsides for home usage. Just stick with the standard 58mm portafilter but ditch the ancient e61.

What are the downsides? I had one for about a decade (a heat exchanger machine) and never had any issue with it. I've been thinking about getting back into espresso and an e61 would be something I look for mostly because I'm comfortable with it.

Broadly speaking, modern espresso groupheads for home use you want to focus on one thing: responsiveness. You want it to react to temperature provided, not resist changes to temperature, and be able to be controlled. E61 groupheads are typically coupled directly to the boiler of the machine via thermosiphon, so they heat up as the machine heats up. This also means that heating up the giant chunk of mass takes ages. Terrible for home use.

The E61 grouphead is meant for commercial usage. It's heavy, tons of thermal mass, and has a tendency to overheat if it isn't flushed regularly (or, in the case of a commercial setting, just used... which typically isn't a problem in a commercial setting).

For most home usages of E61 machines you need to perform "temperature surfing" to get a great shot from an E61. More modern groupheads don't have such a large thermal mass and tend to be somewhat isolated from the boiler or thermoblock, so you can just heat them directly from a previously pulled shot and be just fine.

Again, not to say you can't make good espresso from them. I think there's also some E61 constructions and mitigate some of these issues, but they're not standard in the industry.

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> The advice though on the market is that if you want a good cup of coffee you need to do more than buy the machine. The advice from anyone trying to sell you fancy tools and from anyone trying to justify to themselves that they bought fancy tools will always be that you need to buy fancy tools in order to enjoy the product. It is, of course, an obvious fabrication to anyone not inside this loop, and a form of cruelt…

> And a moka costs $20 and lasts through a nuclear war. Good luck finding quality coffee beans after the war, unless your bunker has a coffee plantation attached.

Nuclear war is unlikely to hit anywhere beans are actually produced. Nobody out there with nukes is like "we gotta wipe out those fuckers in Brazil, Vietnam, Colombia, and Indonesia!"

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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The more I think about the more I feel that this is the wrong solution to the problem. Disclaimer: I'm doing a small open source espresso controller project, check it out if you're interested, but it's not ready for prime time yet: https://github.com/variegated-coffee . My thinking is that this machine appeals mostly to people who already has an espresso machine. It's not particularly technologically advanced. It's a…

Do you have any parts recommendations for Rancilio Silvias?
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