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Boeing workers vote to strike

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Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by benhurmarcel »

bibelo wrote: post #106
iancmceachern wrote: post #86

Any Boeing engineers who may be looking for alternate paths, please know that I've known many great aerospace engineers who have made a pivot to medical devices very successfully and many of the best medical devices to come out in recent years are due to such. It seems very different but really it's very similar.

or they could come here to Toulouse to work for Airbus ^^

That's not a great plan if what they're looking for is a higher salary though. Engineering in western Europe doesn't pay nearly as well as in the US.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by TheBigSalad »

wtcactus wrote: post #179

Unlike the idea I’ve initially got from reading some of the comments here, the workers aren’t striking for long overdue measures that will save the company and get engineers back in charge of Boeing. They are striking to get the biggest share possible of the pie before Boeing completely crumbles down. Reading the news, there isn’t a single demand from the workers that’s about trying to get the company back on its fee…

This reads like someone just spouting off a preconceived notion. How much are they making now? What are they looking to make? What do you think is reasonable? The AP article says the union salaries haven't been visited in 16 years.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by bluGill »

meiraleal wrote: post #173
GuB-42 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Boom is not any aerospace company, they want to make supersonic planes. Supersonic travel is expensive and environmentally unfriendly, and it will probably always be, because it requires more energy, because physics. All that for the minor advantage of saving a couple of hours on select flights. What it means is that it is a privilege for the wealthy (because it is expensive for what you get), at the expense of…

Computers used to be very, very expensive. Residential telephone lines were acquired through mortgage a couple decades ago in my country so being expensive now doesn't mean expensive forever.

No, but there are nothing I'm aware of changing the economics. Electronics were coming down in price for decades before computers reached the average house (of course when they reach the average house is debatable - on one extreme the Atari 2600 had a CPU, on the other there are still remote villages that are just adopting phones )

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by jjulius »

wtcactus wrote: post #179

Unlike the idea I’ve initially got from reading some of the comments here, the workers aren’t striking for long overdue measures that will save the company and get engineers back in charge of Boeing. They are striking to get the biggest share possible of the pie before Boeing completely crumbles down. Reading the news, there isn’t a single demand from the workers that’s about trying to get the company back on its fee…

... you do know that unions historically support workers, not companies?

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by [deleted] »

Spooky23 wrote: post #132
mprovost wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unions aren't a monopoly they're a democracy. After a democratic vote, the minority has to accept what the majority wants. Yes, sometimes voters make poor choices. New workers know about the union before they join. You don't move to a new state and refuse to pay taxes because you didn't vote for them. Once you're there you get to vote in the next election. America is a democracy and you don't have to revert to feudal…

Democracy is socialism is some ignorant circles. Our betters know better. Don’t believe your lying eyes, listen to Elon. Lol. Clearly making airplanes with doors that fall off is fine, as long as we maximize shareholder value.

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Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by naasking »

refurb wrote: post #185
thrance wrote: post #124

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Stock buybacks used to be illegal in the States up until 1982. You can thank Raegan for that too.

> Stock buybacks used to be illegal in the States up until 1982. You can thank Raegan for that too This is not true, but seems to come up a lot. I guess it makes for one of those fun "internet facts" that people like to repeat without any investigation. Bonus points for blaming Reagan. Stock buybacks were not illegal before 1982. If you sit down even think through it, it doesn't even make sense they were illegal. Jus…

> So stock buy backs were legal before 1982, but companies faced a risk of stock manipulation if they were reckless in how they did it.

Sounds like a much better state of affairs.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by jjulius »

csomar wrote: post #84
Y-bar wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on if you are a shareholder for the long terms (many years) or a short-term trader. I don't own stock in Boeing (or any of their main competitors), but when there is a strike like this in a company I hold stock in I generally get more bullish for the long term because it means that: 1. It signals employees still care about the company enough to not just quit and go elsewhere. And employees who care make a bet…

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>Unions also use aggressive measures rather than negotiations.

Unions start with negotiations and move to strikes if those don't work. Literally what happened here.

>There are very few good stories with unions but most of them are tragic especially long-term.

Do you have any proof to cite here, eg stats showing success rates of all unionized businesses? Boeing, much of Kroger, and a ton of other industries/companies have long used union labor without "tragic" results.

>For investors, it's both the short and long term that's f-ked.

I'm not gonna feel bad about the wealthy losing a bit of cash.

>Source: Check the current Boeing union demands.

Yeah, better wages, no forced overtime etc. - super shitty things to ask for. If you can't feel my eyes rolling right now, well...

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Post by bluGill »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #131
bombcar wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The auto companies are strategically significant because war footing America will turn those F150 lines into tank lines in a matter of months instead of the years it would take to spin them up from scratch. IBM made machine guns on typewriter lines in WW2.

No it won't, because only about 30% of F150 parts are made in the US. The rest are made elsewhere - mostly China. This is not 1940, and the US simply doesn't have the strategic industrial base it used to. Off-shoring made some people a lot of money and lowered consumer costs (while simultaneously cutting consumer pay.) But it was economically and strategically unwise. The US is set up to run small-scale wars against…

> This is not 1940, and the US simply doesn't have the strategic industrial base it used to.

this is just wrong.

The US didn't really have that industrial base in 1940 either. We developed it fast over a couple years of war.

To the extent the US had an industrial base, we still do. US manufactures more than we did in 1940 - we just do it with far fewer people in factories via automation.

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Post by Havoc »

Just watched a documentary on Boeing an hour ago. It’s incredible that they avoided criminal prosecution despite two planes crashing, door popping out and then paperwork somehow going AWOL. Also Boeing knew about wiring issues since 2022 and the FAA only issues an inspection order in ‘24.

Gonna try and avoid Boeings of all types going forward

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