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Boeing workers vote to strike

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Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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It's Boeing man.

I won't get into too many specifics, but there's a reason they call it ScreamLiner. And it ain't because final assembly in the Carolinas is implemented to exacting, high quality standards, by excellent and exemplary employees.

There are a lot of poor performers throughout Boeing. Starting with their C-Suite execs.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe the union demands are reasonable, or maybe they're not. Give me specifics please! Would that really help, though? Do you have the industry know-how, expertise, and internal knowledge to assess whether the offer is reasonable or not?

I’m not an expert, but I’d like to know more. To me it’s interesting to know what the workers are concerned about specifically. Otherwise it just reads like “lots of people are mad”. Well about what exactly? It’s fine for a headline, but not very impressive reporting.

That much I agree with. I'd like to know more too, but I won't pretend it would be because I'd like to judge it for reasonableness :)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They started new factories in new states to try to break the unions in Seattle.

Boeing fleeing Seattle while trying to cheerfully pretend they're a "Washington company" was absolutely disgraceful

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Boeing spent $43B on stock buybacks between 2013 and 2019 while paying their CEO ~$30M/year. > To support its share price, the company under McNerney poured billions into stock buybacks instead of investing profits into the kind of research and development needed to stay competitive. McNerney decided not to spend billions of dollars building a new plane to replace the 737. Instead, Boeing tweaked and updated the exis…

Its not about one or two guys its financial engineering culture that Wall St rewards. You can make bank without being an engineer anymore. 2008 meltdown has not changed the culture.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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It should be illegal* to post articles about strikes without including details on current deal, current offer, and union demands. All these pieces try to influence your opinion without providing any details! Maybe the union demands are reasonable, or maybe they're not. Give me specifics please! *obvious hyperbole

> Maybe the union demands are reasonable, or maybe they're not. Give me specifics please! Would that really help, though? Do you have the industry know-how, expertise, and internal knowledge to assess whether the offer is reasonable or not?

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Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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It should be illegal* to post articles about strikes without including details on current deal, current offer, and union demands. All these pieces try to influence your opinion without providing any details! Maybe the union demands are reasonable, or maybe they're not. Give me specifics please! *obvious hyperbole

> It should be illegal to post articles about strikes without including details on current deal, current offer, and union demands.

Getting 96% to vote to go on strike pretty much says that company offer is complete garbage. You probably can't get 96 out of 100 people to agree that the sky is blue.

And while I wish that things were a bit more fact heavy, sometimes the sticking point is something really arcane and non-obvious to outsiders (on-call requirements, for example).

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It should be illegal* to post articles about strikes without including details on current deal, current offer, and union demands. All these pieces try to influence your opinion without providing any details! Maybe the union demands are reasonable, or maybe they're not. Give me specifics please! *obvious hyperbole

> Maybe the union demands are reasonable, or maybe they're not. Give me specifics please! Would that really help, though? Do you have the industry know-how, expertise, and internal knowledge to assess whether the offer is reasonable or not?

That's an interesting point to make. If you can't make a informed opinion, should you have an opinion at all? What defines informed? How much information and experience does one need?

I don't think that entirely detracts from the general premise of wanting to be given more information however.

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