Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation
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#4“… the court has ruled that evidence-backed conclusions regarding fabricated data cannot constitute defamation—which is probably a very good thing for science.”
“Probably good for science”? That is science!
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#5We're lucky to have hard-headed people willing to put up with legal threats and bullying tactics. I'm not sure I'd have the spine for it. It reminds me of when Ben Goldacre was sued [0] which luckily his publisher covered the costs for.
[0] https://www.badscience.net/files/The-Doctor-Will-Sue-You-Now...
Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation
#6[tl;dr] US District Court dismisses
Francesca Gino's controversial $25m defamation lawsuit against Harvard Business School and DataColada scientist-bloggers (Simonsohn, Nelson, and Simmons). The judge allowed Gino's breach of contract claim against Harvard to continue.
DataColada's legal defense (so far) was paid for by their own universities; there is also a $378K private GoFundMe organized by Simine Vazire [https://www.gofundme.com/f/uhbka-support-data-coladas-legal-...]. Yet apparently not a penny from the journals which Gino published in, or by HBS, or the funders of Gino's research.
(EDIT: this got upvoted, then suddenly multiply downvoted and flagged - why? I wrote it very carefully and double-checked every single statement. If anyone's quibbling the term "Francesca Gino's controversial $25m defamation lawsuit", that term was used by the MBA-watching blog https://poetsandquants.com/2024/09/12/judge-dismisses-france... )
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#7There is no limits a grifter wont go to in order to continue their grift. Those with the funds regularly get away with it purely because they have the funds to sue their opponents into bankruptcy. The system worked in this case but it so rarely does and we see so often people having to back down due to legal threats.
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#8This whole ordeal has been crazy. Glad to see some sanity prevailing at this level. Curious where the rest of the story is at. Anyone have a good primer on where things ultimately are, at this point?
Curious on more than just this case. If I recall, there were several large scale misconduct cases that hit back to back. All of those still in flight?
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#9“… the court has ruled that evidence-backed conclusions regarding fabricated data cannot constitute defamation—which is probably a very good thing for science.” “Probably good for science”? That is science!
Yes, that’s why the ruling is good for science. It would be a dark world if publishing statistical analysis opened you up to defamation
Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation
#10This whole ordeal has been crazy. Glad to see some sanity prevailing at this level. Curious where the rest of the story is at. Anyone have a good primer on where things ultimately are, at this point? Curious on more than just this case. If I recall, there were several large scale misconduct cases that hit back to back. All of those still in flight?
Pete Judo's channel on YouTube has been covering this since the beginning, and other cases: