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DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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couldn't find official confirmation anywhere, but that looks like an arduino MKR WiFi 1010, which means it should have wifi for integration with home assistant or something. I realize that the overall process is probably too manual to fully automate, but you could at least turn it on and get the water heating in the morning, I imagine.

Although now that I look a little more, according to the quick start guide, wifi isn't yet enabled in the software, although I imagine that means they have plans to. Plus of course, with open source software, I guess it wouldn't be too hard to do yourself.

I like this thing! Would love to see James Hoffman review it

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Sadly the website was knocked out by HN, I guess. Anyway, I really like my Flair. It is fun to press the thing manually. And it is nice to have espresso still during a power outage (as long as I can get ground beans and fire). I think this is a different definition of “do it yourself” though, hahaha.

I've had a flair for about 3 years now and love it. Simple, not that expensive, extremely easy to clean and yet has less annoying maintenance than a fancy machine. Extremely unlikely to break. Very good control of the process and very good coffee. Obviously the weakness of the flair is the turnaround time. (I don't have the Flair 58). But I am the only one in my house who actually drinks Espresso. For the amount I dr…

Yeah, the turnaround time is a thing, but I mostly only notice it when I’ve ground my beans too fine and pushing the lever takes too long. Which was an error in the first place, I guess.

If everything is going well, I’ll usually just do one shot right after the other (no cleaning), like a barbarian. It works fine and I don’t have to heat up the water chamber again, haha.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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I've had a flair for about 3 years now and love it. Simple, not that expensive, extremely easy to clean and yet has less annoying maintenance than a fancy machine. Extremely unlikely to break. Very good control of the process and very good coffee. Obviously the weakness of the flair is the turnaround time. (I don't have the Flair 58). But I am the only one in my house who actually drinks Espresso. For the amount I dr…

I find the turnaround time of the Flair a good thing. Firstly it makes a nice 5-10 minute ritual first thing in the morning, especially when combined with a hand grinder. And secondly it is just enough effort that it prevents me from drinking too much espresso which I absolutely would do if I had a more automated process.

Three shots is the point where I start to get annoyed with the thing and four shots is when I start to get jittery. So, it all worked out.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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They're serious about recycling, but many consumers are not. I'm in Switzerland where recycling Nespresso pods couldn't be easier, and we barely reach a 2/3 recycling rate. US and global rates are much lower. If Nestlé hadn't crippled their machines on purpose, I'd think third party plastic capsules might be a better option in Europe at least, since they end up in waste co-processing.

>If Nestlé hadn't crippled their machines on purpose Nestle invented an entirely new way to brew coffee AGAIN just to extra lock down their pod system from independent competition. The built all this wankery about spinning the pods at like 30k rpm to "force the water through the coffee like an espresso machine" but it _doesn't_. As Mr Hoffman discussed, the foam it creates is just aerated coffee, which is substantial…

I haven't really seen those in the wild yet.

On the other hand there are plenty of cheap original Nespresso machines pretty much everywhere in Switzerland. In some countries Nestlé was virtually giving them away around 2010~2015. Shortly after, some patents expired and third party brands started selling plastic capsules, and Nestlé had to fight back and make their machines work poorly with these!

As far as I know all patents have expired now, and a few third party brands sell 100% compatible aluminium capsules.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Based upon the sales of Nespresso machines and pods a lot of people seem to disagree with you regarding the taste.

People don't buy Nespresso for the taste, they buy it for the convenience. If it was actually a superior method of serving coffee, then everyone would use it. Alas.

People wouldn't use Nespresso pods if they found them to be horrible tasting, as you claim they are, no matter how convenient they are. They use them because they both enjoy the taste and find them convenient.

Most people like the taste of Nespresso pods, k-cups, drip coffee and Starbucks. The sales of all 4 reflect that.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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I recently bought a super automatic machine for only $350, and it doesn't include a steam wand (big plus for someone who never makes milk-based drinks). This seems like a fun project but simple off-the-shelf ones are really coming down in price.

I think this is definitely for a different target market, as super automatics are generally not preferred by folks who I think would appreciate this machine.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Bingo. My barista opinion is that every Nespresso tastes like a Cafe Americano a-la Keurig. You can buy a $4 bag of Cafe Bustelo (pre-ground) and get both better tasting and cheaper espresso. If anyone in this thread is considering a Nespresso/Keurig, I'd highly recommend they consider a similarly-priced espresso machine for multiple reasons. Compared to ESE (easy serve espresso), Nespresso is the Juicero of coffee.

If you make it a long drink yes (which you shouldn't as it overextracts). If you run it on the short program it's pretty strong. At least with local pods here in Spain.

Following Nespresso's own recommendations, the shortest program is still pulling 25 ml through A far cry from a proper 1:2 espresso, let alone ristretto.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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post #66

Why E61 though? Strictly the most annoying type of group especially for home use.

Was just going to comment on this. Sure it’s “the standard”, but it has so many downsides for home usage. Just stick with the standard 58mm portafilter but ditch the ancient e61.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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This is needed now that Gagguino in a petty bit of drama is no longer offering source code, and locking into hardware suppliers. Gaggiuino Gen 3 is free to use and will offer free software updates, but the source code is no longer available. This decision was made to maintain high standards for the hardware required for the project and prevent individuals from fracturing the community with subpar, non-standard compon…

Honestly the whole Gaggiuino situation is so stupid it's unbelievable.

Let's use "Gagguino" to mean "the authors of the original Gagguino" and "Faceuino" to mean "the guy on facebook" just to make it easier to explain the situation:

Faceuino started selling his own kit based on the Gaggiuino designs with some modifications. Since the code and the designs (models and PCB) were permissively licensed, this was done at a profit. The kit came with instructions but unfortunately had some issues which caused weird integration problems which increased the support load for Gagguino.

Gagguino could have handled this incident normally: Reaching out to Faceuino to explain that his modifications caused integration issues which were causing a support load on Gagguino. And warning Faceuino that unless he handles support for his own commercial venture correctly that Gagguino will officially announce that Faceuino makes broken kits and that people wanting to mod their machine should follow Gagguino routes rather than go to Faceuino.

Instead, Gagguino relicensed everything CC-BY-NC, and started on some crusade against profit. Apparently some dude on facebook making a tiny profit selling in the order of tens if not (maybe) hundreds of kits was justification to relicense the entire project, stop development entirely, and start working on a locked down replacement for everything.

Now it's a completely proprietary project where you must buy the hardware from approved suppliers. The main control board can still just be normally flashed (meaning you could make a clone of it if you just make your own PCB). But the display unit (which now handles a bunch of the high level stuff) is a pre-flashed ESP-32 module which can only be OTA updated and you cannot flash from stock.

Now the website contains silly vague FUD like what you copied above. Meanwhile the discord has stuff like:

> *Pre-Activated Software and New LCD Units*

> The new software will come pre-activated on all the LCD units, which in are available exclusively through our official suppliers to prevent the scalpeing efforts some people are engaged into. We're launching with a 4.3" LCD version initially but a headless (no screen) version set to follow shortly after. Also considering a smaller LCD version for those who prefer a more compact setup while still keeping a always on system status in front.

What scalping? What is being scalped? What?

Why can't these people just be honest and state it outright: "We didn't realise what open meant and we think profit should be illegal so we're going to impose a bunch of silly restrictions to try to prevent anyone from making any profit on this mod."

I would respect that, instead you get crap like "This decision was made to maintain high standards for the hardware required for the project"

What???

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