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DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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It’s not the identical product but it’s fairly similar. Nespresso accepts their used pods back for recycling, and they are made out of metal and not just plastic, but they are owned Nestle and who knows how well they actually recycle that shit.

They're serious about recycling, but many consumers are not. I'm in Switzerland where recycling Nespresso pods couldn't be easier, and we barely reach a 2/3 recycling rate. US and global rates are much lower. If Nestlé hadn't crippled their machines on purpose, I'd think third party plastic capsules might be a better option in Europe at least, since they end up in waste co-processing.

>If Nestlé hadn't crippled their machines on purpose

Nestle invented an entirely new way to brew coffee AGAIN just to extra lock down their pod system from independent competition.

The built all this wankery about spinning the pods at like 30k rpm to "force the water through the coffee like an espresso machine" but it _doesn't_. As Mr Hoffman discussed, the foam it creates is just aerated coffee, which is substantially different than the foam you get from actually putting water through coffee at high pressure. All this to get a patent on a physical process so that competitors cannot drive the price of their pods down.

And the coffee still tastes like shit. And the machine takes a long time. And it makes a stupid and annoying noise. The system is demonstrably worse than any other pod based system because it was more important to Nestle that they get their pod profit margins than you get acceptable coffee.

Like seriously this should be a crime, not a civil infraction, a crime to artificially lock out competition like this.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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I love espresso. But I don't think I'd be interested in a DIY option. I tend to use Nespresso, especially now that the cups are simply available in the shop (and cheap aftermarket options), it's pretty perfect. I know the manual process is more environmentally friendly but when I wake up in the morning I have no headspace for fussing with coffee grinds. I just need good coffee right away. And I don't even own a car o…

Well the bigger problem with Nespresso is the coffee/espresso tastes horrible and you have to deal with the waste.

Bingo. My barista opinion is that every Nespresso tastes like a Cafe Americano a-la Keurig. You can buy a $4 bag of Cafe Bustelo (pre-ground) and get both better tasting and cheaper espresso. If anyone in this thread is considering a Nespresso/Keurig, I'd highly recommend they consider a similarly-priced espresso machine for multiple reasons. Compared to ESE (easy serve espresso), Nespresso is the Juicero of coffee.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Well the bigger problem with Nespresso is the coffee/espresso tastes horrible and you have to deal with the waste.

Based upon the sales of Nespresso machines and pods a lot of people seem to disagree with you regarding the taste.

People don't buy Nespresso for the taste, they buy it for the convenience. If it was actually a superior method of serving coffee, then everyone would use it. Alas.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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This is very cool - website is down for me now but looking at their Instagram post looks like an E61 group head, and espresso-only functionality (no steaming) which simplifies thing a ton. Looks like this would pair really well with a Nanofoamer for people who like milk drinks. I'm definitely tempted!

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Man I’d love to get this semi-affordably in Europe. Such a cool product. I use a Cafelat Robot for my morning brew and it’s consistently the highlight of my day. Manual espresso rules

Flair Espresso has a similar thing and it looks like they have European distributors. https://flairespresso.com/distributors/ I have the Original and have had it since it was the only thing they made. It's picky but if you get it all dialed right it makes great espresso.

The prices on some of the hand pumps are wild to me. I feel like if I'm going to go the hand pump route, then I shouldn't be paying the same price as a Gaggia Classic Pro.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Nespresso pods are readily recycled aluminium, rather than the plastic of K-Cups.

How many places actually accept them though? Also nestle is a terrible company for the environment and human rights.

I use one of these https://www.dualit.com/products/ecopress-aluminium-capsule-r...

It separates the aluminium pod and the coffee grounds so you can recycle the former and compost the latter.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Sadly the website was knocked out by HN, I guess. Anyway, I really like my Flair. It is fun to press the thing manually. And it is nice to have espresso still during a power outage (as long as I can get ground beans and fire). I think this is a different definition of “do it yourself” though, hahaha.

I've had a flair for about 3 years now and love it. Simple, not that expensive, extremely easy to clean and yet has less annoying maintenance than a fancy machine. Extremely unlikely to break. Very good control of the process and very good coffee. Obviously the weakness of the flair is the turnaround time. (I don't have the Flair 58). But I am the only one in my house who actually drinks Espresso. For the amount I dr…

I find the turnaround time of the Flair a good thing. Firstly it makes a nice 5-10 minute ritual first thing in the morning, especially when combined with a hand grinder. And secondly it is just enough effort that it prevents me from drinking too much espresso which I absolutely would do if I had a more automated process.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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I love espresso. But I don't think I'd be interested in a DIY option. I tend to use Nespresso, especially now that the cups are simply available in the shop (and cheap aftermarket options), it's pretty perfect. I know the manual process is more environmentally friendly but when I wake up in the morning I have no headspace for fussing with coffee grinds. I just need good coffee right away. And I don't even own a car o…

Just based on how horrible of a company Nestle is, I usually encourage everyone to investigate some other options to make espresso at home. Side Note: Personally, making my coffee is a nice process in the morning to kick my brain out of that early fog, it's something I have to engage with, but also something you can learn and get _very_ quick at to the point where you don't need much headspace to do it, not every esp…

I'm not really paying Nestle though.

I buy aftermarket cups (10 for 2 euro 50, less than half the price of their own cups!) and the machine is made by Krups. I use those same cups at work because they removed all the coffee machines and put nespressos in place of them. The reason was that the machine coffee was so horrible everyone started bringing their own nespresso machine (they had a really good deal at the time). So now they just provide those in the office. The company I work for is too cheap to pay for coffee for us.

But for me it wouldn't work to do it manually. My house is a huge mess most of the time and messing with grinds etc requires more space.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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I love espresso. But I don't think I'd be interested in a DIY option. I tend to use Nespresso, especially now that the cups are simply available in the shop (and cheap aftermarket options), it's pretty perfect. I know the manual process is more environmentally friendly but when I wake up in the morning I have no headspace for fussing with coffee grinds. I just need good coffee right away. And I don't even own a car o…

To chime in on the litany of reasons why this is not a good idea--sifting boiling water through plastic is not safe for consumption as plastic nano and micro-particles will leech from the plastic into the liquid. This happens by design when using these pods, meaning you are getting a small serving of plastic every morning, alongside your coffee. What a moronic design.

Nespresso cups (even the aftermarket ones these days) are aluminium, not plastic.
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