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When My Crazy Father Actually Lost His Mind

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Re: When My Crazy Father Actually Lost His Mind

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The story is just as sad on the other side of the desk. Funding has been cut so far the hospitals have a few percent of the beds they need, and not enough staff to treat even those. Non-emergency outpatient services are even worse. Most of these people are being kicked out on the street, where their illness and substance abuse will eventually leave them incarcerated, at best, at the hands of police who are radically untrained to deal with sick people.

You expect a schizophrenic man to argue to the judge that he shouldn't be committed because when he said he was going to shoot his kids with a shotgun, he didn't really mean it; you might not expect his perfectly sane court-appointed lawyer to pick through every detail of your records looking for a reason to let him out.

My mother called me last week upset nearly to tears by a phone call she'd had from a "doctor" employed by an insurance company, who was trying to argue that her patient's mania (which he knew nothing about) wasn't a serious enough medical problem for them to pay for treatment.

At this point she's planning to get out of clinical work; she wants to help people, but she feels like the system just isn't set up to let her make a difference.

We need to fix this a decade ago.

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post #9

Listen very carefully. I shall say this only once. Lunatics do sometimes run the Asylumn. You are declared insane only by a society that doesn#t understand you. I've never met a mad cat - but some quite angry panthers... Violence is the only measure of insanity.

hope everything's OK there.

A lot of violent people are, sadly, quite sane and otherwise fairly rational.

I'm quite sure a relative wasn't just misunderstood, but needed a bit of help when she heard voices, didn't want to stay in her apartment because of the spirits, withdrew all her money from the bank because the people there were conspiring against her, and wandered the streets of NY late at night.

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This story resonates with me. My mother is bipolar. Growing up she would be fine for a year, then gradually become more active and paranoid and spendthrift, then be hospitalized for several months, and then start the cycle over. In 2008, she drained and overdrew the joint checking account that she had helped me open when I turned 18 and flew abroad, costing us much distress and thousands of dollars (she was kicked off one homebound airplane for causing a disturbance). She was finally hospitalized long enough to recover.

But in 2011, when she had another bout, the hospitals refused to hold her for more than a week, and she was returned home only to be a nuisance to her landlord and a weirdo on the street. The social worker said to ask the police to take her to CPMC or St Francis (private hospitals) who will be more likely to hold her for long enough to recover instead of SF General, but since then she hasn’t been an imminent threat; merely a loud, paranoid insomniac who can’t get anything done.

It’s very difficult to reason with her regarding her illness, which she denies when she’s manic. I don’t know first-hand the facts of her police mistreatment or landlord interactions or whatever she happens to be angry about, so I can’t convince her that she’s wrong. Oh, and she refuses to take her medication because she’s convinced that they will ruin her liver. I sometimes wonder whether a smarter, more introspective manic person would be able to deduce logically that their paranoias are irrational and rein themselves in. But alas, her poor concentration and temper hare never allowed her this power.

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Please, let's remember that the mentally ill aren't 'evil alien[s]', as the author describes her father. People considered mentally ill are those who generally have emotional and/or cognitive irregularities, be they subtle or strong. That still makes them human.

I recognize the need to expand involuntary commitment laws to include evidence of recent events beyond the past 15 minutes of an interview. I agree that something does need to be done about dangerous people in general, regardless of whether they are mentally ill or not. This is a problem that needs restrictive and supportive measures on many fronts.

However, most mentally ill people are not dangerous. The author's use of circumstantial stories, instead of statistical evidence strongly distorts the reader's understanding of a typically mentally ill person. In her story, almost every mentally ill person she mentions kills someone. But as the author says in the end, the mentally ill are statistically less likely to harm another than to be harmed by someone else.

I think that some of what the author hopes for is a good idea, but if people could be forcibly treated for mere delusions or minor symptoms, then that also includes the huge percentage of normal Americans who believe in or claim to have seen ghosts. Do unusual religious beliefs count as insanity? Are your political views ever considered 'irrational' by someone else? What happens to free thought and religion?

The problem with creating laws that chip away at civil liberties is that these laws can be abused or stretched to cover people who are in a 'grey area' and aren't a real danger. Those in power can take laws and apply them according to their personal preferences and values, at the expense of those who do little harm.

I think it's a good idea to have involuntary commitment laws only for the rare dangerous cases that exist. But in addition to that, human support is needed. Treating people well and showing gentle empathy will help win them over to the side of those who are trying to help. In the end, let's not harm the large majority who are closer to the middle of the grey area, and aren't dangerous.

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For what it's worth:

"21% of patients with bipolar disorder and a diagnosis of severe substance abuse (alcohol or illegal drugs) were convicted of violent crimes, compared to 5% of those with bipolar disorder but without substance abuse, 5% among the unaffected siblings of bipolar patients, and 3% among general public control individuals."

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20819987

I haven't actually read the study much less the rest of the research on this, but the actual statistics on this (whatever they are) seemed conspicuously absent from this article. In fact there really really no statistics whatsoever. It's a heart wrenching story, but there are good reasons why it's generally not a bad idea to create public policy based solely on individual cases.

Granted there isn't nearly as much research as there should be, and at some level you eventually do have to go with your get because of that, but at the same time there is a hell of a lot more evidence than was presented.

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post #13

This story resonates with me. My mother is bipolar. Growing up she would be fine for a year, then gradually become more active and paranoid and spendthrift, then be hospitalized for several months, and then start the cycle over. In 2008, she drained and overdrew the joint checking account that she had helped me open when I turned 18 and flew abroad, costing us much distress and thousands of dollars (she was kicked of…

Unfortunately, the very definition of manic (and schizoid) behavior precludes any sort of logic. My heart goes out to you. Mental illness and our society's still-prehistoric reaction to it are both atrocious.

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So basically, early easy access to even just a family doctor willing to describe the most basic meds and a lack of stigma attached to taking those meds would save society and families a ton of grief and expense.

But since we are in the USA, this will take decades to happen, if ever. The only hope is a massively profitable, universal drug is invented, then pharmaceutical companies will fall all over themselves spending a fortune to market it like viagra and make it "hip".

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post #13

This story resonates with me. My mother is bipolar. Growing up she would be fine for a year, then gradually become more active and paranoid and spendthrift, then be hospitalized for several months, and then start the cycle over. In 2008, she drained and overdrew the joint checking account that she had helped me open when I turned 18 and flew abroad, costing us much distress and thousands of dollars (she was kicked of…

> Oh, and she refuses to take her medication because she’s convinced that they will ruin her liver.

Until fairly recently doctors had no idea how to measure minimum effective doses of lithium, so many older people with bipolar disorder are suffering damage to their liver, kidneys, and thyroid. Mental health practitioners also used haldol and thorazine with a pretty loose hand - without worrying about side effects or toxicity.

So realize that she has a reason to believe that her meds are bad for her - because they are, they are just better for her than going un-medicated. Her doctor or social worker should probably be the one to explain to her the kind of testing and monitoring they do to make sure that they do as little damage as possible.

Re: When My Crazy Father Actually Lost His Mind

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The author seems extremely harsh and unfeeling toward his father. He, or any one of us, should try to imagine being treated like his father did -- on first discharge from hospital, no one to pick him up but just some money and clean clothes were dropped off at the hospital. His father must have felt too unwelcome to even go home, and he didn't ... he went to visit his brother. On second discharge from hospital, they were so worried he might go home that they used a single phone call he made from hospital to the apartment as an excuse to put a restraining order on him -- which the police reacted by putting the father in jail. What a son! No surprise when the father acted hostile towards his children. I honestly think the children should have found a new apartment for their mother instead of putting father in hospital/jail.
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