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Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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Including the US, but here bribes are legal, it's called lobbying!

actually not comparable in price and scale. lobbying is cheap and limited, while bribes often become buisness ending very fast .

> lobbying is cheap

I heard Google and Microsoft spent bilions on EU lobby.

Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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This makes no sense,why wouldn't Uber just increase rates and take a cut rather than let the drivers eat their lunch? What incentive do they have to charge less than the market will bear?

In most international markets Uber is already the "premium" option. Local taxi apps easily beat them on price, and so they cannot afford to go higher.

Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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Always carry an object capable of smashing out a window when you ride in a 3rd world taxi

Why? They don't have child locks on the doors. You're gonna be stuck trying to explain to somebody why you think it's OK to carry around a life hammer when you inevitably have to go through a metal detector. Plus cars in developing countries aren't built as heavily as ones in the west - you could probably just kick the window out if you need to. Just don't wear flip flops everywhere. You're probably going to be some…

I was trapped by an armed man once when I was a kid and ever since then I have always had a backup plan to escape. Most taxi drivers are honest good people, some aren't. The only people that have jammed me up were US CBP, in my experience foreign customs knows their country is fucked and will let most non-gun metal objects slide. It's mostly nanny states that jam you up for a hammer.

Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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Had 3 Ubers in a row spoofing gps location trying to pickup a ride at Istanbul departures, but then sending increasingly cryptic, once you are here walk 500m here directions one by one. 1 even started the trip without me in the car and said it was an accident. Uber support didn’t care about that or the GPS spoofing.

It wasn’t Uber but taxis. When I visited Istanbul a while ago, the taxi drivers were creative in how they scammed people. Some purposely took a longer route to the destination to charge more, while others altered the meter so it showed almost double the fare. I discovered this because the same trip cost half using another taxi. Others asked for an upfront price and ignored the meter.

I lived in Turkey for over 3 years. It is really sad how taxis were by far the worst part. When Uber came to Ankara, it was a massive improvement in my quality of life.

In Istanbul, there are a few things to watch out for but Uber is still a million times better than calling a random taxi. Part of it is because taxis in Istanbul are surprisingly cheap and it encourages bad behavior. During peak times in the most busy places, Uber drivers may cancel on you if the ride is short. Whatever happens, Uber support in Turkey has been very responsive to me. So I have to give them credit for that.

Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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It's not Kenya, it's everywhere. Ubers in the US are increasingly doing a lot of the same things (canceling your booking if they don't like where you're going, e.g.) and becoming indistinguishable from the pre-Uber status quo. From an economic perspective it's kind of fascinating that lying and cheating drivers appear to be the natural equilibrium state of the taxicab market; Uber temporarily disrupted this dynamic b…

> and becoming indistinguishable from the pre-Uber status quo

As long as you can (1) tap a button on your phone and have a taxi show up in front of you in minutes and (2) pay by credit card and not have the driver rip you off by taking a longer route, it will continue to be infinitely better than the pre-Uber status quo.

Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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I don't understand. What's to stop an uber customer from just flat out refusing and reporting the driver (and eventually getting them kicked off the platform)? If I am quoted a rate, I expect to pay that rate.

Part of the trick is that you can't rate a driver if you don't actually start the ride, and the driver controls when the ride starts. Sometimes the driver will just get a fare from another service and wait for you to cancel the ride, and then they get a cancellation fee unless you complain to Uber, which they make difficult to do. The trick I use in this situation is just to switch to Lyft and make the driver cancel so I don't have to deal with Uber customer service.

Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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Reminder a certain political group are trying to make bribery legal in the U.S. by calling it a "tip."

> Reminder a certain political group are trying to make bribery legal in the U.S. by calling it a "tip" Source? (My search keeps turning up Tip O'Neill.)

I suspect they are referring to the recent US Supreme Court decision.

Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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I don't understand. What's to stop an uber customer from just flat out refusing and reporting the driver (and eventually getting them kicked off the platform)? If I am quoted a rate, I expect to pay that rate.

They can do it, but what's the guarantee that the next one won't behave the same way? Ultimately people have places to be, and if the quickest option involves paying slightly more money, so be it.

Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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Drivers have creative ways of getting around rules in most markets. In India when you get a ride assigned the driver will first call you and check where you are going, and cancel the ride (or ask for extra money) if the amount or destination is not to their liking. This happens here in the US as well. Especially for food delivery apps, the driver shown on the app will rarely be the person who actually does the delive…

This used to be very common in the US especially around airports where drivers wait for up to an hour to get a fare and want to make sure it's worth the wait. It may still be happening, but I just go straight for the cab to avoid the hassle.

The US airport rideshare model (if you even want to call a largely emergent phenomenon that) must be one of the most wasteful things in transportation ever.

Why do I have to wait for, and find, my specific Uber/Lyft out of a sea of otherwise identical ones that are all in each other's way, all while idling and wasting tons of fuel? (I know that the legal answer is "taxi medallions"; that doesn't make it any less absurd.)

Re: Uber drivers in Kenya are ignoring the app and charging their own rates

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It's not Kenya, it's everywhere. Ubers in the US are increasingly doing a lot of the same things (canceling your booking if they don't like where you're going, e.g.) and becoming indistinguishable from the pre-Uber status quo. From an economic perspective it's kind of fascinating that lying and cheating drivers appear to be the natural equilibrium state of the taxicab market; Uber temporarily disrupted this dynamic b…

I think it is natural end of drive to bottom or extractive markets. Uber drops prices until drivers are forced to take steps to earn income. Or market is twisted by something absolutely moronic like overpriced transferable licenses...

Likely only real way to make market mostly workable is setting reasonable cap on rates and controlling amount of cheap to acquire licences, but disallow transfers.

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