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Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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I wonder if the other Boars Head plants also have issues. Avoid the entire brand? What brands have better hygiene?

From this, and linked articles on New York Times, the suggestion is laxed food safety standards are endemic across the entire processed food industry.

Goes way before that: https://www.history.com/news/upton-sinclair-the-jungle-us-fo...

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Buy your food from a local farmer. It is healthier and tastes better (and doesnt support big agra corps). For everyone that thought boars head was 'premium' you'll be blown away. Even the lowest quality local farms are usually going to be better than the best industrial producers. You can often buy a whole (or half or 1/4) animal. They will have a butcher to process the animals for you. Search for "community supporte…

This discussion is about deli meat. Are you implying that Frank the Farmer down the road making baloney in a bathtub is "healthier and tastes better" than processed deli cuts made in a USDA inspected factory?

Not excusing what happened here at all but this assertion and all "buy local" hysteria is simply subjective hippy nonsense.

A few years back some "local" cheese makers got busted with plenty of food safety and quality issues and then you read they're wearing filthy shit-covered boots into the cheese making room.

"Buy local" has zero relationship to food safety or quality.

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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post #7

I wonder if the other Boars Head plants also have issues. Avoid the entire brand? What brands have better hygiene?

From this, and linked articles on New York Times, the suggestion is laxed food safety standards are endemic across the entire processed food industry.

I’ll admit, if arguments about nitrates being carcinogenic aren’t a convincing reason to avoid processed meat, this might just be one.

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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post #21

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I always thought Boars Head _was_ the premium brand.

Where I live, both of the two major supermarket chains (Publix x 3, Kroger x 3) with stores within an epsilon of my house feature Boar's Head next to their house brands. Other than the odd Food Depot there are no other grocery corp brands within probably 25 miles. I have historically frequently bought Boar's Head meats from the deli counter because I can get them sliced prosciutto thin and they have the texture to su…

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I wonder if the other Boars Head plants also have issues. Avoid the entire brand? What brands have better hygiene?

You can always just go to a butcher.

18 months ago when I moved cross country to the Atlanta area I was delighted and excited to find out that my house was 10 min from a real butcher! OMG, what I always wanted. Then I talked to the counter man (no butcher on site), bought the meats, and then asked some questions about the curing process, and discovered that the reason the meats tasted like Boar's Head is that butcher shop chain (3 stores) explicitly taste competed against Boar's Head. To the point of being "nitrate-free", oops celery is in the label.

No point paying the premium (I would have paid double for authentic charcuterie), and then I tried to buy a goose during the Holidays and nope, can't do that. Haven't been back.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought Boars Head _was_ the premium brand.

Pretty scary how many people get fooled by "premium" branding. Think about what made you think that Boars Head was "premium". Was there any evidence that their meats were higher than average quality, that didn't ultimately come from the company itself? Or was it all their product positioning, price, what stores they were found in and so on (in other words, Marketing).

Ryan - You aren't wrong, but I'd note that in my local grocery stores, it's generic brands and your Smithfield / Oscar Mayer / Hormel in the cold case. You find Boar's Head at the in-store deli, sliced to order, and priced higher. So the illusion of premium here extends beyond marketing dress.

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Startup cured deli meats sounds like a recipe for distributed delivery of salmonella.

Are these products really "cured" then? Wasn't that a process used to preserve food before the existence of refrigeration? I understand it could be done incorrectly, but I'm also confused at what modern products are exactly.

Curing it seeks to prevent the product from degrading on its own terms. It doesn't really help protect against contamination that happens after the curing. So, while the cured meat itself isn't a great environment for bacteria/other pathogens to grow, if it gets other organic material on it, or if something else happens to compromise the curing, it can still be a vector.

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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post #50

Buy your food from a local farmer. It is healthier and tastes better (and doesnt support big agra corps). For everyone that thought boars head was 'premium' you'll be blown away. Even the lowest quality local farms are usually going to be better than the best industrial producers. You can often buy a whole (or half or 1/4) animal. They will have a butcher to process the animals for you. Search for "community supporte…

eu sabotaged local butchers and hunters with strict requirements for dissasembly of animals

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

#69
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can always just go to a butcher.

18 months ago when I moved cross country to the Atlanta area I was delighted and excited to find out that my house was 10 min from a real butcher! OMG, what I always wanted. Then I talked to the counter man (no butcher on site), bought the meats, and then asked some questions about the curing process, and discovered that the reason the meats tasted like Boar's Head is that butcher shop chain (3 stores) explicitly tas…

Keep looking around. In my small town in the middle of nowhere, we have two legit butchers that draw from regional small farms. In any large city I have to assume there are options available. That stated - if there is any way you can participate in a CSA / connect directly with the rancher, I find that the meat is not only superior quality but the prices often are as well. Case in point - my partner recently bought ground beef at Walmart that was $3/pound higher than what I buy from a long-time family friend who raises his beef in an absolutely splendid grass-covered mountain paradise.
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