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Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

FMecha wrote: post #74
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the original PS5, yes. On the PS5 refresh, no, an internet connection is required to activate the drive, whether or not it came in the box. On the Xbox One... you haven't been able to, for over a decade. On Switch... Switch is just delightful. The game cards even come with the required system updates (criticism for lack of theming or music aside, the whole OS is under 400MB, so amazing things are possible). You ca…

>On the PS5 refresh, no, an internet connection is required to activate the drive, whether or not it came in the box. Because the disc drive and the main board are required to be paired with each other since the PS3/X360 era. People who repair PS3s (except super slims, for some reason) and PS4s need to re-pair the disc drive board with the main board (or failing both, replace both boards with one that has been alread…

They've been paired for a long time as you point out; however, that's missing part of the story.

In the past, they were at least paired from the factory. If you pulled your Xbox 360 out of the box, and never connected it to the internet, it would still work.

The PS5 refresh's disc drive is not paired, even from the factory. Without an initial internet connection, it will not work, even out of the box. Also, unlike the Xbox 360, it un-pairs every time you sign out of your personal account.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by angry_moose »

golergka wrote: post #82
paxys wrote: post #73

I don't think people commenting here realize how expensive gaming GPUs have become. A top of the line RTX 4090 is upwards of $1700. A mid range card that can play the latest AAA games at a decent resolution and frame rate (say RTX 4070) is $600-700. And if you're building a PC you still need to buy everything else around the card. Yes $700 is expensive for a console, but that's just what the market rate is now.

> Yes $700 is expensive for a console, but that's just what the market rate is now. I remember buying PS3 at launch for $700.

In what currency? It was USD $499 (20GB) and $599 (60GB).

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by FMecha »

golergka wrote: post #82
paxys wrote: post #73

I don't think people commenting here realize how expensive gaming GPUs have become. A top of the line RTX 4090 is upwards of $1700. A mid range card that can play the latest AAA games at a decent resolution and frame rate (say RTX 4070) is $600-700. And if you're building a PC you still need to buy everything else around the card. Yes $700 is expensive for a console, but that's just what the market rate is now.

> Yes $700 is expensive for a console, but that's just what the market rate is now. I remember buying PS3 at launch for $700.

Adjusted for inflation that PS3 is $1,100 now.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by pixelatedindex »

himinlomax wrote: post #34
pixelatedindex wrote: post #9

$700 and no disc drive? Yikes. I guess it makes sense when compared to the PS4 lineup cost wise, but usually when they launch the slims it drops the price to some degree. Doesn’t seem to be the case here.

I haven't had a disc drive in any of my PC for a decade. I bought a USB DVD reader just in case, it's somewhere collecting dust — I've never used it. Why do you want one in a console?

Well for one, it is a pretty good Blu-Ray player.

Another reason I like it is because I prefer to have my console games on a disc, this way I can share it with friends and I don’t have to be at the mercy of people like Sony who is not afraid to remove access to something you paid for.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by angry_moose »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #9

$700 and no disc drive? Yikes. I guess it makes sense when compared to the PS4 lineup cost wise, but usually when they launch the slims it drops the price to some degree. Doesn’t seem to be the case here.

PS5 Slim came out last year for $499 (same hardware, smaller footprint).

This is a hardware refresh, like the PS4 Pro.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by paxys »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #85
paxys wrote: post #73

I don't think people commenting here realize how expensive gaming GPUs have become. A top of the line RTX 4090 is upwards of $1700. A mid range card that can play the latest AAA games at a decent resolution and frame rate (say RTX 4070) is $600-700. And if you're building a PC you still need to buy everything else around the card. Yes $700 is expensive for a console, but that's just what the market rate is now.

The base PS5 equivalent GPU is 2070 Super that goes for around 200$

And the base PS5 from 2020 goes for ~$300, but that's not the device we are talking about.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by prmoustache »

wil421 wrote: post #70
prmoustache wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about optical drives but I bought ~75% of my switch games as used cartridge. I think a lot of people would stop buying consoles if they couldn't sell the games they have finished or do not like anymore to fund the purchase of other games.

Did you do it for nostalgic purposes? I buy the cartridges for nostalgic purposes. Most of the time the used games I want are only $10-$15 dollars less than a good Amazon or Target price. I don’t think the younger generations care as much, they just play free games anyway.

> Most of the time the used games I want are only $10-$15 dollars less than a good Amazon or Target price.

I bought Zelda Breath of the Wild for 25€ while it is still sold around 60-65€ on my country's amazon market and is not available anymore in many places.

I mostly buy cartridge because I want to be able to play games regardless what happens of my nintendo account and I like being able to lend and borrow games with other switch owners.

I remember as a kid we would swap games with friends for a few months so we can have access to other games.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by adventured »

FMecha wrote: post #93
golergka wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes $700 is expensive for a console, but that's just what the market rate is now. I remember buying PS3 at launch for $700.

Adjusted for inflation that PS3 is $1,100 now.

The US Government's BLS inflation adjustment calculator puts $500 in January 2006 to $793 today.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by nerdjon »

darkwizard42 wrote: post #45
nerdjon wrote: post #31

This has been such a weird generation of consoles from a price standpoint but I know a lot of that is just due to pricing of things being weird anyways. This is expensive, I am struggling to really justify it at the moment (and I have a 4090 in my PC so it isn't some thoughts about price or power or whatever). Games right now are just not really struggling. Last time around these pro consoles came out we were running…

Is this expensive because of the components or because you feel systems were priced lower in the past and this is a small upgrade? I think for the number of hours people put into it gaming systems are actually quite cheap. You get to have them functioning for 5-10 years with 100s of hours played. On a per hour level, it provides massive amount of entertainment. Now, if you already have a strong PC (which you allude t…

I see it as expensive mostly because we have not had any drop in price this generation.

For example, take last generation. The Xbox One launched at (all USD) $500, $400 without Kinect once that was an option. PS4 launched at $400. The PS4 Pro also later launched at $400, The xbox One X launched at $500.

This is a $200-$280 (including adding the drive) jump in price and the base model is still the same price or more expensive in some places than it was at launch.

On the flip side, I also do worry about what exactly we are seeing from Sony again. We know that Sony can get cocky when they are on top (See PS3, cross play, etc) and make decisions that are not good for gamers. I worry this is a sign that they are going that way again.

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