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Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by nerdjon »

This has been such a weird generation of consoles from a price standpoint but I know a lot of that is just due to pricing of things being weird anyways.

This is expensive, I am struggling to really justify it at the moment (and I have a 4090 in my PC so it isn't some thoughts about price or power or whatever). Games right now are just not really struggling. Last time around these pro consoles came out we were running up against the limits of the hardware at that time. That isn't the case yet.

It will be interesting to see what Xbox comes out with, the timeline for this coming out is pretty quick. So unless xbox was just about to announce something not sure how realistically they will have an answer to this

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

#32

Post by simion314 »

dangus wrote: post #4

It is interesting but not surprising that it’s disc-optional with no pre-installed disc drive option available. Otherwise, in terms of specs and price, I am somewhat amazed that the console market is clinging on to life at this point. The PS5/Series generation pushed me to PC and I’m really not understanding the appeal of the consoles anymore beyond the convenience of not needing to do assembly. The consoles are just…

An argument is that Consoles are easier and safer to give to a child, they can't mess things up and Sony is moderating the online chat.

I do not recommend it , from my experience the moderation is a blackbox, I would get warrningss for my son;s activity with no clue what was wrong, some bullshit like it might have been one of the things in this list of bad things. Then they force you to buy a sbuscription to access online features/multiplayer and if they ban you without any right to appeal they will not return your money for the services they will not longer give you.

So fck subscriptions, fck moderation without transparency and without right to appeal and talk with a human. And also fck Sony for killing online features because are to lazy to keep a few server code safe, lazy and greedy bastards.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by mrweasel »

I'm getting really tired of this "Pro" bullshit. The issue with the PlayStation 5 isn't the bloody specs, it the f-ing price. The PlayStation 5 Slim is $600 already, we don't need a $700 one (which it won't be, because that is US pricing and probably not including tax).

Sony needs a $350 model, not this Pro nonsense. Who is the target audience for this?

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

#34

Post by himinlomax »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #9

$700 and no disc drive? Yikes. I guess it makes sense when compared to the PS4 lineup cost wise, but usually when they launch the slims it drops the price to some degree. Doesn’t seem to be the case here.

I haven't had a disc drive in any of my PC for a decade. I bought a USB DVD reader just in case, it's somewhere collecting dust — I've never used it. Why do you want one in a console?

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by prmoustache »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #22
StrLght wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking this as a PC gamer who went fully digital ~15 years ago: why are optical drives such a big deal, is that because of buying/selling used games?

I refuse to have any business with digital only purchases; for a few reasons: 1. Just like movies, you don't own anything. Revocation can occur at any time. 2. More likely than movies, you might find your game patched to add or remove content you do not want. 3. You can't give your games to the next generation. Which matters a lot when your exposure to gaming started from NES and Atari hand-me-downs. 4. Every game yo…

I don't own a modern console other than the switch.

Can you play a ps5 game from optical media without having ever connected your ps5 to the internet or will some refuse to run?

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by talldayo »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #22
StrLght wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking this as a PC gamer who went fully digital ~15 years ago: why are optical drives such a big deal, is that because of buying/selling used games?

I refuse to have any business with digital only purchases; for a few reasons: 1. Just like movies, you don't own anything. Revocation can occur at any time. 2. More likely than movies, you might find your game patched to add or remove content you do not want. 3. You can't give your games to the next generation. Which matters a lot when your exposure to gaming started from NES and Atari hand-me-downs. 4. Every game yo…

> If you have a large NES collection, there will be someone interested in paying for it. If you have a large Switch collection, there will be someone interested in paying for it.

Well, yes for the NES. There's a limited number of cartridges made, there is no digital substitute, and the official cartridges are not being manufactured anymore. The demand for NES games is a product of their scarcity.

But have you tried actually selling a physical copy of a modern game? It's not like you're making your money back, you're lucky to recoup 1/3rd of the MSRP if there's even anyone interested in waiting for your copy to arrive in the mail. But there's also complicating factors like piracy, the immediacy of digital storefronts, and the used market controlling (and lowering) the price of used games. Famously, a trip to GameStop with a stack of PS3 games is worth maybe $5 of in-store credit and a complimentary soda pop.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by kassner »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #22
StrLght wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking this as a PC gamer who went fully digital ~15 years ago: why are optical drives such a big deal, is that because of buying/selling used games?

I refuse to have any business with digital only purchases; for a few reasons: 1. Just like movies, you don't own anything. Revocation can occur at any time. 2. More likely than movies, you might find your game patched to add or remove content you do not want. 3. You can't give your games to the next generation. Which matters a lot when your exposure to gaming started from NES and Atari hand-me-downs. 4. Every game yo…

> Revocation can occur at any time

Given most games won’t work without online activation, does it even matter in the case of PS? Or you’ll contain yourself to non Sony/Microsoft platforms?

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by danudey »

jsheard wrote: post #21
StrLght wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking this as a PC gamer who went fully digital ~15 years ago: why are optical drives such a big deal, is that because of buying/selling used games?

Partly due to used games, but even when buying new it's often cheaper to buy physical than digital due to retailers undercutting each other, while the digital store strictly adheres to MSRP until the game has been out for a while.

Not just buying used games, but borrowing games as well. Being able to swap games with friends is a pretty compelling offer.

(I'm all-digital and have been for the last nine years, but there are compelling reasons not to go that route)

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

prmoustache wrote: post #35
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I refuse to have any business with digital only purchases; for a few reasons: 1. Just like movies, you don't own anything. Revocation can occur at any time. 2. More likely than movies, you might find your game patched to add or remove content you do not want. 3. You can't give your games to the next generation. Which matters a lot when your exposure to gaming started from NES and Atari hand-me-downs. 4. Every game yo…

I don't own a modern console other than the switch. Can you play a ps5 game from optical media without having ever connected your ps5 to the internet or will some refuse to run?

On the original PS5, yes.

On the PS5 refresh, no, an internet connection is required to activate the drive, whether or not it came in the box.

On the Xbox One... you haven't been able to, for over a decade.

On Switch... Switch is just delightful. The game cards even come with the required system updates (criticism for lack of theming or music aside, the whole OS is under 400MB, so amazing things are possible). You can also update your game or system wirelessly, from any other Switch, which has a higher version of either, no internet necessary.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by whiterknight »

5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #8

i realised recently that the transition to HD made everything look and sound the same to me. unlike the distinctive eras of the 90s, 80s, 70s...so on. and now with realistic graphics, even games are starting to all look the same to me. i feel that the limitation born art and era-specific traits of the pre-HD era have been lost. i just dont feel anything looking at these new games. but then i'm not young anymore.

It’s actually just because they all use unreal.

4k also requires upscaling or minimizing work per pixel, which encourages everyone to use similar methods.

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