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metadat wrote: post #114
eastbound wrote: post #112

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After traveling through the middle east: Google is far from present here, it’s Yandex territory. And I bet Asian countries can be conquered by Chinese companies the same way.

I have to use Yandex almost daily, because Google has stopped indexing a massive amount of the Internet. It's almost more useless than Yahoo was after Google came along, which is crazy.

I use both for reverse image searches. It's crazy how much is missing from either (or both). At least from my use Google's index still seems to be bigger but I imagine that varies depending on what you are looking for.

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mbrumlow wrote: post #24
tmpz22 wrote: post #19

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If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

I think about this a lot and feel like we are in a horrid position. All of our core service and software is locked up in a handful of companies. For humanity and the future of software’s sake we need to go back to users of software owning their software, preferably by being free and open source. It hurts me as somebody who wants to make money off software, but SaaS is just a bad deal for everybody. My compromise is i…

I feel like this discussion is like squabbling over weather the private highway conglomerate should be broken up and what the consequences would be for users who have been benefiting from toll-free road usage subsidized by billboards and other shady tactics. In both cases the real answer is that what is effectively public infrastructure should neither be run as one private corporation nor split into many private corporations but deprivatized entirely.

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richiebful1 wrote: post #86
dijit wrote: post #34

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I’m reminded of a situation that happened in a small town in Sweden. Lots of boutique stores in the city centre moved into the newly created mall (due to the economics of malls being as they are)- the mall was also centrally located so: nothing lost. Almost immediately after this happened; another mall was built outside of town (requiring a car to get to), but as you might expect: rents were substantially cheaper. Al…

So should Google be regulated as a public utility? I am leaning towards search being a natural monopoly due to the huge resources required to build an index/algorithms/etc

> I am leaning towards search being a natural monopoly due to the huge resources required to build an index/algorithms/etc

A bigger issue are the network effects - no website can afford to block Google; not so much for your startup search engine.

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whatever1 wrote: post #145
soared wrote: post #6

Generally an excellent and accurate write up, nervous/excited to see where this goes. A bit over the top with some of the things google has done in the programmatic space, but aligns with reality. I disagree with the display/programmatic space innovations being held back by google - there are an insane amount of small players who are doing different things and it’s easy to integrate them into the existing space. IE i…

In general I do not understand how auctioning for a thing with fixed cost aligns with the principles of free market. Google owns the infrastructure of search, maintaining them and showing ads has a finite cost. How does piting ad buyers in an auction is different than price gauging? Imagine apple every year introducing the new iPhone without a price and when you go to the cart it asks for your credit limits before it…

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Post by Timwi »

Rodeoclash wrote: post #92
3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #89

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I have been wondering how hard modern search would be to implement. More and more of the world is getting hidden behind walled gardens denied to search. Reddit, newspapers, Facebook, Twitter, are all locked down or heavily restricted. I am sure there is still a burgeoning small web, but it is increasingly hard to find. Would many consumers notice/care if your search engine only surfaced pages from the top 1000 highes…

We should create non-profit versions of each of the archetype sites that exist. Reddit (forums), Twitter, Search, Email hosting should all have non profit versions ala Wikipedia.

For Reddit and Twitter there's already Lemmy and Mastodon.

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Post by animal_spirits »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #160
animal_spirits wrote: post #100

In the end we will all lose, in my opinion. Google will start to charge more for access to YouTube, along with increasing ads. They will begin to pay creators less due to the increased cost in serving the ads. We will see a decline in the quality and quantity of high production video education.

The economics of youtube being what they are now, most content is already extremely low quality. The quality of YouTube content was much higher when it wasn't a viable platform for monetization

I'm sorry but that's just abundantly wrong. There are whole educational companies built on top of YouTube, Complexly for example. We also have all kinds of university courses recorded and publicly available for free.

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Post by daedrdev »

mastodon_acc wrote: post #80
daedrdev wrote: post #60

I think reddit recently signing an exclusive deal with google for crawling its website is quite anticompetitive and will be a surprisingly big draw to google.

It was not an exclusive deal. Other companies can also sing similar deals.

Thats a good point I didn't realize, thanks. I guess this is reddit cashing in on being the most useful search result for many topics.

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Post by Timwi »

SirMaster wrote: post #98
tmpz22 wrote: post #19

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If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

Lots of people I know have been migrating away from these Google services though without much trouble. They are a lot more replaceable than most people think.

What's a good alternative to Google Docs and Sheets that has live collaborative editing?

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Post by Timwi »

39896880 wrote: post #146
animal_spirits wrote: post #100

In the end we will all lose, in my opinion. Google will start to charge more for access to YouTube, along with increasing ads. They will begin to pay creators less due to the increased cost in serving the ads. We will see a decline in the quality and quantity of high production video education.

Google will charge more for access to YouTube, which makes competitors like Nebula more appealing.

Nebula is not a competitor to YouTube for creators, only for consumers. A true competitor to YouTube needs to allow anyone to upload videos.
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