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Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by pfdietz »

astura wrote: post #126
nolok wrote: post #61

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In 2020 France did the same with an attack submarine. The Perle had a major fire in its forward half, ruining it. The Saphir was a submarine of the same class being about to be decommissioned. They cut both in half then fitted the forward from Saphir onto Perle, which ended up being way cheaper than rebuilding a new half. (they're from an older class that is not being built anymore, but the Perle should remain in ser…

The US did the same for the San Francisco when she struck a seamount. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_San_Francisco_(SSN-711) >In June 2006, it was announced that San Francisco's bow section would be replaced at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard with the bow of USS Honolulu, which was soon to be retired. San Francisco is four years older than Honolulu, but she had been refueled and upgraded in 2000–2002. The cost of h…

Another example is the USS Wisconsin, an Iowa-class fast battleship. Its bow was damaged in a collision and replaced with the bow of the never-completed USS Kentucky, which was to have been the last ship in the class.

Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by Ekaros »

cm2187 wrote: post #15
frognumber wrote: post #9

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* Regulation is non-existent in the cruise industry. You shop for the venue with the most lax regulations of the ≈200 countries in the world. * The equivalent is insurance. Insuring a $2B ship carries pretty good due diligence. A ship simply failing is rare. Of course, ship insurance doesn't care about employee rights, safe food, medical care, or other things one might expect to keep people safe. It's about protectin…

And the original hull wasn't made of a single piece of steel in the first place, it is already a patchwork of steel plates welded together, isn't it? And I think it is assembled as vertical sections like the one being added.

Not exactly full sections, but very large sections. For example the crane in shipyard building the largest cruise ships can lift 1200 tonnes to 90 metres height...

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Post by david927 »

rswail wrote: post #113
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #93

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Means the same "very different" something here in the US too... Maybe doing it in a cruise ship adds to the excitement ?

The term has been "repurposed" by gen z/alpha to mean having an experience in real life without filters.

"dysphemism": https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P0k3foBDm14

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Post by giantg2 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #99
msrenee wrote: post #55

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Presumably because of pressure from superiors. If they know you're in cell range and ignoring them, they'll be pissy. If you're simply unable to receive communications, that's just the way it is. It shouldn't be like that, but it is.

There are plenty of jobs where it’s not like that. Of course it depends on the job, so this isn’t 100% guaranteed to be the case, but I find people who think they always have to be online are often just imagining that they have to because of anxiety, and if they just didn’t respond, nothing bad would happen to them.

I sort of agree. Like who is so important that their peer or superior can't handle issues if they're out? How do leaders see their business surviving if the person they're calling gets hit by a bus?

But at the same time, it does seem that most tech jobs expect you to be available after hours for calls and extend that to vacation by default.

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Post by rightbyte »

GJim wrote: post #116
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #89

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I used to have a car like that - relative in car business specialized in buying late model cars that had one end (front or back) in good shape, and other end wrecked, and would use the two good halves to make a new car. He used a jig to get the alignment precise, and claimed it was as good as factory. The car seemed fine - there was no way to tell.

A 'cut and shut'? Where do you live for that to be legal? https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=cut+and+shut

Most limousines are made like that. The practice is fine in theory but I guess the business is too shady for the vehicles to be fine in practice.

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Post by giantg2 »

nullstyle wrote: post #84
JKCalhoun wrote: post #57

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> all-inclusive resorts... And these have zero appeal to me as well. As someone who road trips all across the U.S. with the wife, the highlights have of course been the serendipitous ones.

There’s a different kind of serendipity that comes with Cruise vacations as opposed to road tripping, but it’s still very much there. Furthermore, I can’t really have a road trip experience with 16 people in my travel group; If we want to be together, we’ll be stuck, packed into a van. I can have a great cruise experience with a group that size on a cruise or at a resort. I say this is someone who had taken multiple…

"I can’t really have a road trip experience with 16 people in my travel group"

Convoys work for this. Perhaps even more fun if they're fun cars with a lower car to passenger ratio.

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Post by ghaff »

School-Cotton wrote: post #99
msrenee wrote: post #55

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Presumably because of pressure from superiors. If they know you're in cell range and ignoring them, they'll be pissy. If you're simply unable to receive communications, that's just the way it is. It shouldn't be like that, but it is.

There are plenty of jobs where it’s not like that. Of course it depends on the job, so this isn’t 100% guaranteed to be the case, but I find people who think they always have to be online are often just imagining that they have to because of anxiety, and if they just didn’t respond, nothing bad would happen to them.

Back in the day, I took some month-long vacations to places like Nepal that were really off the grid at the time. Some people I knew were incredulous that I did so. My actual managers didn't care because I did my best to pick "good" times to do so and did my best to inform people and make arrangements. It was never a problem.

I do think, over time, being more or less continuously in-touch became more normed.

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Post by [deleted] »

protocolture wrote: post #4

I worked on a cruise ship below decks, once, for 3 hours, and I swore I would never take a cruise. Take the dirtiest hotel you have ever been in, and then ensure you cant leave it for days at a time. It interests me that demand is increasing but I suspect thats just good advertising.

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Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by giantg2 »

watsocd wrote: post #92
dylan604 wrote: post #51

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> Get to skip out on flight to the Caribbean/Mexico This is a strange comment, as most people still have to fly to a port city. So maybe that flight is shorter and a domestic flight, but it's still requires a flight.

There are many Americans who are terrified of flying into a foreign city. With a cruise out of Miami, they never have to step on foreign soil.

It can provide many benefits beyond people who are terrified. All sorts of barriers and annoyances can be avoided, such as managing passports, bringing medications, language barriers, differences in legal rights, dealing with customs, etc. This is even more impactful if you're traveling with kids or the elderly.

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Post by vintermann »

d_burfoot wrote: post #107

The cruise industry is very fascinating to me. I think in the medium term we could see significant populations of people living long-term on cruise ships; it seems like the economic model is long-run more efficient (assuming the shipbuilding industry is very good at building these structures). You avoid the property tax, zoning, and regulatory burdens that go with living on land. It's likely safer because you're not…

There was an effort a few years back (I looked it up, and it was 2001, oops) to market this, a perpetual cruise ship for retired people. "MS The World". I suspect it didn't do all that great, since there weren't a lot of copycats, but it took until covid to strand the project.

Now apparently there's a second ship trying the same business model, "Villa Vie Odyssey". Predictably, the marketing suggests it's the first one ever of its kind.

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