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Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

bluGill wrote: post #94
joshstrange wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ehh your life “ebbs away” no matter what you are doing. I’m neutral on cruises. I went on one with my family and had a good time but I don’t seek them out. There is something to be said for the “almost everything is included” nature of cruises. Not having to think about food and just relaxing or doing one of the many activities available is attractive. The various excursions or stops can be fun as well. It’s not for…

You could get under a 1000 if you go the inside cabin, you are only in your room to sleep anyway.

More than sleep for me. I need to decompress.

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Post by ooterness »

d_burfoot wrote: post #107

The cruise industry is very fascinating to me. I think in the medium term we could see significant populations of people living long-term on cruise ships; it seems like the economic model is long-run more efficient (assuming the shipbuilding industry is very good at building these structures). You avoid the property tax, zoning, and regulatory burdens that go with living on land. It's likely safer because you're not…

Every day we move closer to WALL-E becoming reality.

"'B' is for Buy N Large, your very best friend."

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Post by yuliyp »

quibono wrote: post #3

I'm amazed that these welds can hold ship sections like that. I wonder if this is regulated in any way? E.g. class and quality of welds required etc. On another note, a 2 billion investment to build a ship seems absolutely crazy. How long does it take to make that kind of money back, and how long does a ship need to sail to pay itself back?

I'd guess the average revenue per passenger to be on the order of $200 / day so for that 10k passenger ship that's about $700M of revenue per year. If they can put $200M of that toward the cost of the ship that'd pay for itself in a decade.

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Post by asib »

d_burfoot wrote: post #107

The cruise industry is very fascinating to me. I think in the medium term we could see significant populations of people living long-term on cruise ships; it seems like the economic model is long-run more efficient (assuming the shipbuilding industry is very good at building these structures). You avoid the property tax, zoning, and regulatory burdens that go with living on land. It's likely safer because you're not…

> you don't let criminals onboard

Plenty of crimes happen at sea. Cruise companies expend effort to sweep these crimes under the carpet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nCT8h8gO1g

Criminals are people who've been convicted of a crime. These people are either:

- allowed on cruises (I'm not aware of a "no conviction" clause when buying a cruise ticket)

- in jail, in which case you can also make the argument they're not allowed out in public

So criminals are allowed on board, and people who might commit a crime are not necessarily criminals yet.

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Post by doe_eyes »

chengiz wrote: post #63
lbriner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Prices from $1,000" but shows the picture of the presedential suite to lure people in. "Oh yeah, $1,000 is a room next to the engine room with no window and a single bed" at which point people feel a bit embarrassed and accept that it is another $10K just to get a window. On the other hand, lots of people are returning customers so maybe there is something to be said for moving slowly across the ocean as your life e…

A lot of responses from people who have never taken a cruise, how typical. There is a lot of nickel and diming but floor plans and room views tend to be shown when you're buying. Even the interior windowless rooms are extremely well designed for space. The lack of windows does not really matter (for budget conscious travellers) since you're going to be only in there for sleeping and using the bathroom. Of course, no…

Yeah, I went on a cruise once, and the whole idea is that you don't spend time in your cabin. It's not a train. You have cinema screens, live performances, restaurants and bars, libraries, quiet lounge areas, pools, and so on.

Plus, there are sightseeing opportunities on land, and the neat thing about cruise ships is that they dock where the action is. Airports are always on the outskirts; ports tend to be situated pretty centrally in most cities.

Honestly, it's probably the nicest way to travel to faraway places, short of a private jet. It's not for everyone, but it's not a dystopian experience. The ships carry insane numbers of passengers, but they are also pretty darn spacious.

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Post by astura »

nolok wrote: post #61
pfdietz wrote: post #33

This reminds me of the case a British destroyer from WW1. This ship started as two Tribal class destroyers, HMS Nubian and HMS Zulu. In 1916, the first lost its bow to a torpedo (and then running aground); the second lost its stern to a mine. The admiralty decided to salvage the remains by joining them together into a new ship, dubbed HMS Zubian. https://www.twz.com/royal-navy-once-created-a-franken-ship-f...

In 2020 France did the same with an attack submarine. The Perle had a major fire in its forward half, ruining it. The Saphir was a submarine of the same class being about to be decommissioned. They cut both in half then fitted the forward from Saphir onto Perle, which ended up being way cheaper than rebuilding a new half. (they're from an older class that is not being built anymore, but the Perle should remain in ser…

The US did the same for the San Francisco when she struck a seamount.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_San_Francisco_(SSN-711)

>In June 2006, it was announced that San Francisco's bow section would be replaced at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard with the bow of USS Honolulu, which was soon to be retired. San Francisco is four years older than Honolulu, but she had been refueled and upgraded in 2000–2002. The cost of her bow replacement has been estimated at $79 million, as compared with the estimated $170 million to refuel and overhaul the nuclear reactor of Honolulu.[11]

Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by ryukoposting »

As the author notes, this isn't a concept that was invented by the cruise companies.

My grandfather worked as a welder for a shipyard. I remember him telling me about how they would cut a barge in half, and he and a few other guys would weld in a new chunk that would make the thing longer. This would have been 60ish years ago.

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Post by immibis »

ryandrake wrote: post #101
VoodooJuJu wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's also currently fashionable to describe any mixing of Western people/money/enterprise with the developing world as "colonial." I don't think many people actually think they're King George III as they enjoy a vacation in the Bahamas.

They're talking about the obvious racial segregation: the white people are to be treated like kings, and the brown people are there to do the treating.

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Post by Ekaros »

t0mas88 wrote: post #109
scarab92 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s times I want to explore, and there’s times I just want to do nothing. Cruises are good for when I want to do nothing for a while.

> Cruises are good for when I want to do nothing for a while. I've never been on a cruise, but for me renting a beach house does the same. Sleep, eat, watch the ocean from the beach and do totally nothing. Camping with friends also does it. Let all the kids play together, just sit and watch, doing nothing. When I was a bit younger I would have considered "doing nothing" hell on earth, but with a busy life it's good t…

Catering included is big part. No need to cook or to clean up.

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Post by immibis »

GJim wrote: post #120
rswail wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The term has been "repurposed" by gen z/alpha to mean having an experience in real life without filters.

Well...... shagging in a car whist a bunch of blokes stand around watching and wanking certainly is an experience in real life without filters ! https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dogging

"raw dog" and "dogging" are two different sexual slang terms. "raw dogging" here is to be understood as to raw dog in present tense, not dogging in a manner that is raw.
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