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Re: Malaysia backtracks on DNS redirection decision

#31

Post by mkl »

defrost wrote: post #30
netsharc wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off-topic: Why are you using | instead of / ? People having their unique implementation of punctuation marks irks me...

Because I've used it as an "or" symbol in a non unique common as muck manner since 1980 at least when I was taught Boolean logic in an undergraduate university mathematics class. It's one of many conventional symbols for OR, more common in the pure ASCII days due to a lack of ∧ , ∨ , ¬ et al. Which rock have you lived under that you've never seen it used an OR before? People imposing their limited experience of the w…

To be fair, I've never seen it used in prose like that, and had trouble understanding your comment at first. I did university boolean logic 30 years ago and have been on the internet in programming communities nearly as long.

Re: Malaysia backtracks on DNS redirection decision

#32

Post by defrost »

mkl wrote: post #31
defrost wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I've used it as an "or" symbol in a non unique common as muck manner since 1980 at least when I was taught Boolean logic in an undergraduate university mathematics class. It's one of many conventional symbols for OR, more common in the pure ASCII days due to a lack of ∧ , ∨ , ¬ et al. Which rock have you lived under that you've never seen it used an OR before? People imposing their limited experience of the w…

To be fair, I've never seen it used in prose like that, and had trouble understanding your comment at first. I did university boolean logic 30 years ago and have been on the internet in programming communities nearly as long.

Sure, different groups have different conventions. I've been commenting on internet forums, threads, and groups since pre WWW Usenet, using | as OR (though more often as { A | B | C }, seen others use the same convention and this is the very first time anyone has ever claimed it as a unique quirk.

Re: Malaysia backtracks on DNS redirection decision

#33

Post by mkl »

defrost wrote: post #32
mkl wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, I've never seen it used in prose like that, and had trouble understanding your comment at first. I did university boolean logic 30 years ago and have been on the internet in programming communities nearly as long.

Sure, different groups have different conventions. I've been commenting on internet forums, threads, and groups since pre WWW Usenet, using | as OR (though more often as { A | B | C }, seen others use the same convention and this is the very first time anyone has ever claimed it as a unique quirk.

With braces or brackets it would have been immediately clear; I have seen that version.

Re: Malaysia backtracks on DNS redirection decision

#34

Post by sethammons »

defrost wrote: post #30
netsharc wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off-topic: Why are you using | instead of / ? People having their unique implementation of punctuation marks irks me...

Because I've used it as an "or" symbol in a non unique common as muck manner since 1980 at least when I was taught Boolean logic in an undergraduate university mathematics class. It's one of many conventional symbols for OR, more common in the pure ASCII days due to a lack of ∧ , ∨ , ¬ et al. Which rock have you lived under that you've never seen it used an OR before? People imposing their limited experience of the w…

Knowing it is intended as OR, i can parse it better. I figured it was some item-in-set notation. I also have never seen pipe as an OR outside programming and math.

Some non-alphanumeric characters add brevity and have been more or less adopted by the mainstream, such as ~ being more ergonomic than approximately or approx. Comma, slash, semicolon; these are the ORs of written English and are already the minimal characters count.

I mildly like pipe as you use it but feel it is more confusing and distracting than anything else. A comma or slash would have not interrupted the reading of the sentence. Optimizing for the reader rather than the writer seems a good default position.

Edit: you replied elsewhere using pipe with parentheses or curly braces; very, very clear in those cases. Had you used that in your original, I would have had no confusion

Re: Malaysia backtracks on DNS redirection decision

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Post by carstenhag »

usrnm wrote: post #6
Shank wrote: post #2

A rare move showing grace on behalf of the government, but the fact that the decision was made first, followed subsequently by a backtrack is still alarming.

It costs very little to try and see if it works out, they will try again shortly. You can see the same bahavior with chat regulatons in the EU.

Same as with preemptive governmental data storage, which gets warmed up about every year in Germany...

Re: Malaysia backtracks on DNS redirection decision

#36

Post by doovd »

defrost wrote: post #30
netsharc wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off-topic: Why are you using | instead of / ? People having their unique implementation of punctuation marks irks me...

Because I've used it as an "or" symbol in a non unique common as muck manner since 1980 at least when I was taught Boolean logic in an undergraduate university mathematics class. It's one of many conventional symbols for OR, more common in the pure ASCII days due to a lack of ∧ , ∨ , ¬ et al. Which rock have you lived under that you've never seen it used an OR before? People imposing their limited experience of the w…

It'd make sense if you were writing out some Boolean expressions or trying to present something with formal logic. But you're writing English here so it seems inappropriate to a) ditch conventional grammar and b) pass off the criticism as "imposing their limited experience".

Re: Malaysia backtracks on DNS redirection decision

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Post by [deleted] »

defrost wrote: post #30
netsharc wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off-topic: Why are you using | instead of / ? People having their unique implementation of punctuation marks irks me...

Because I've used it as an "or" symbol in a non unique common as muck manner since 1980 at least when I was taught Boolean logic in an undergraduate university mathematics class. It's one of many conventional symbols for OR, more common in the pure ASCII days due to a lack of ∧ , ∨ , ¬ et al. Which rock have you lived under that you've never seen it used an OR before? People imposing their limited experience of the w…

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Re: Malaysia backtracks on DNS redirection decision

#38

Post by delta_p_delta_x »

defrost wrote: post #30
netsharc wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off-topic: Why are you using | instead of / ? People having their unique implementation of punctuation marks irks me...

Because I've used it as an "or" symbol in a non unique common as muck manner since 1980 at least when I was taught Boolean logic in an undergraduate university mathematics class. It's one of many conventional symbols for OR, more common in the pure ASCII days due to a lack of ∧ , ∨ , ¬ et al. Which rock have you lived under that you've never seen it used an OR before? People imposing their limited experience of the w…

This comment reeks of /r/iamverysmart.

> that can work for any app | browser | etc. on a network

That is an English clause, not a mathematical expression. You even have the abbreviated form of et cetera there.

> non existent universal convention

In English there is a convention for listing alternatives: commonly forward-slashes with no space between them, like 'this/that', or with commas and conjunctions, like 'this, or that'. Or make your life easy, and use some other collective noun such as 'platforms'.

> a lack of ∧ , ∨ , ¬ et al.

English convention dictates 'et al' (or et alia) be used to list authors or people, rather than inanimate objects. Or you could use a collective noun here, too: 'mathematical symbols'.

Re: Malaysia backtracks on DNS redirection decision

#40

Post by nucleative »

Shank wrote: post #2

A rare move showing grace on behalf of the government, but the fact that the decision was made first, followed subsequently by a backtrack is still alarming.

I'm an American working from Thailand for the past decade or so, and this strategy is relatively common for the governments around here.

It's chaotic. They will usually have mid level officials announce some new policy as if it's a done deal.

Then, if there's no public outcry, a higher level official will confirm it and maybe, eventually, details will roll out.

If the public responds very negatively, the idea will just disappear or the higher level guy can distance himself from the low level guy "who was misinformed".

I think it's how they test the water and decide if it's worth the effort.

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