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Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Post by gradschoolfail »

smogcutter wrote: post #100
082349872349872 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking through Rao's prism (in which disposition to unshakeable loyalty is a "clueless" trait), Benjamin is a clear "sociopath" candidate: he's (a) laconic, and (b) underperforming. [In the 80s, Rabinovich was allowed a tour of Europe. He sent telegrams from everywhere: "Greetings from free Bulgaria. Rabinovich" "Greetings from free Romania. Rabinovich" "Greetings from free Hungary. Rabinovich" "Greetings from Austr…

In Rao’s model, the sociopaths and losers share an understanding that the organization exists for the benefit of the sociopaths, they just respond to it differently. It’s only the clueless who are bamboozled. So idk if it’s a great lens for AF, where all the proletarian animals are more or less equally taken in. But anyway, Benjamin is definitely a loser, not a sociopath! He comes closest to understanding what’s happ…

Tiny nitpick: Benjamin certainly would not want to become a sociopath, but the incumbent sociopaths would doubtlessly love to promote him into their ranks, surreptitiously. Confidence in the power of power to corrupt! (Usually misplaced, thankfully, despite media)

(To abuse a Ridley Scott favourite: slip a Marechal’s baton into his rucksack)

[this is opposite of the Rabinovich “strategy”, which hints that YC are not sociopaths]

EDIT: I dont think this is comparable to Steve Jobs’ 100-Person Retreat without more insider data, e.g.,

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41416275

Would be interested to know if anybody got promoted as a result of these retreats, my hunch is, no, because everybody knows about the 100-person retreat.

EDIT 2: another system to compare with, kind of the opposite of Rao’s model, is the Lambeth race, thats more like openly favouring the tortoise? So that no rabbit would sign up in the first place. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41468567

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

#102

Post by cortesoft »

hdivider wrote: post #78
jumploops wrote: post #39

It always bothers me how little intelligence we assume of and thus ascribe to the animal kingdom. Especially to our mammalian brethren, who have many of the same underlying neurological mechanisms (though in differing quantities). Dogs have co-evolved with humans for thousands of years. Remembering names seems like a useful albeit unsurprising skill, especially when it comes to recognizing/avoiding danger. “The bear/…

Every time I encounter resistance to your points here, I feel like an alien among humans. I think it cuts so deep into people's psychology, and frequently religion. The very notion that we are not the apex of anything. And that we no longer need to eat other animals to live and be healthy. Too much to bear for many, so it frequently results in low-quality conversation, laden with emotions. The fact remains, however.…

I am in no way religious, and I don't think we are fundamentally different than other animals, but I don't think it is surprising that most of us (myself included) think of human emotions and intelligence as being on a completely different level than animals.

The complexity of human language, social structure, and technology is not even in the same ballpark as animals. Humans make iPhones and travel to space and write War and Peace. We dominate the world, changing its very climate and wiping countless species off the planet, and no other species even tries to stop us.

It seems a bigger stretch to think other animals have similar emotions to humans than the opposite.

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Post by jzb »

sva_ wrote: post #86
dr_kretyn wrote: post #82

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You have limited experience. Mine couldn't care less about food if a ball was near it. We also missed her feeding a few times and she never begged or reminded about the food. I usually carry a bag of treats (her favourite) but sometimes she refuses to eat them.

Wolves naturally don't usually eat everyday either, we just make dogs do it because we do it.

Wolves can eat 20lbs of meat in one meal. They’re hunters that eat their fill when food is present because there’s no guarantee they’ll catch prey later. Not really a reasonable comparison to a domesticated animal that’s not designed for feast/famine living.

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Post by denkmoon »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #97
denkmoon wrote: post #70

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That’s a clearly absurd proposition. My family’s dogs remember me when i haven’t been around for 6 months, let alone 6 weeks.

> That’s a clearly absurd proposition. Yes, that is the joke.

Terrible joke. "Lol"

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Post by iancmceachern »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #96
iancmceachern wrote: post #47

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This is absolutely not true You and the top level parent commenter are confusing dogs with wolves Saying a dog isn't good in human soceity is like Saying wheat or cattle aren't good for eating. They've been specifically bred to be so over thousands of years by us, specifically for these purposes. Dog is truly man's best friend If a dog doesn't trust a person I been believe the dog, if a person doesn't like dogs, I do…

I can’t read the original comment that started this thread, but being bred to be consumed is not the standard of evidence needed to know whether that thing promotes positive or negative health outcomes.

We have this weird attitude in the last couple decades. There is this thought that the factory farms of the last few decades apply to and are the same thing as the gradual development of agriculture and animal husbandry that lead out species out of the animal world into the human one.

Agriculture, animal raising, these are what separate us from our ancestors, these are what enable civilization

Horses, cows, dogs, cats, other livestock. These animals have made us what we are, and us them. They and our modern civilization are inextricably tied.

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Post by radnor »

drewmol wrote: post #64
switch007 wrote: post #55

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IME all are... Labradoodles are loopy, like most of the bred-for-instagram breeds. Got to expect the abnormal

Some generations of labradoodles are hypoallergenic from my understanding.

There are no hypoallergenic dogs. There are degrees to which dogs shed, but it's not specific to any one breed and can vary wildly.

https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/hypoallergenic-dogs/

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Post by hnick »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #67
switch007 wrote: post #16

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I've never understood people who say dogs are hard to train. They are SO motivated by food

Depends on the dog. I’ve trained two puppies this year. The first one was stupid easy to train. Food motivated and could be refocused in every situation with food. Picked up commands quickly. Would do training basically any time of day. Second dog just stares at me if she doesn’t want to be trained or feels the task is too hard. When she gets distracted, it doesn’t matter how high of a reward I give, she won’t take i…

A rule of thumb we were taught is half the food comes from training (not to the point of cruelty, adjust the training to be easier if needed so they get enough). You can adjust per dog, but many people treat training rewards as "treats" which are surplus to their needs, so greedy or food-loving dogs (I would be one, as is our first dog) will take it but others won't care.

High stress or emotional arousal or a distracting environment will supersede this but it's a decent starting point which people often miss. Luckily our second dog likes play and praise so that gives us more options.

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Post by imoverclocked »

I've had a Mal for a couple of years now; I find myself looking for new words to describe "go" and "walk" with my s/o. We can only use the new words for so long before he catches on and the old ones don't seem to fade away. It's almost a game between us now.

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Post by spike021 »

My dog constantly surprises me and he's only 3.5 years old.

The first year I had him as a puppy, he could smell/hear (?) his best neighborhood buddy walking multiple buildings away from our apartment while the windows were closed. He'd run to the door and start crying and as soon as we got outside he knew the right path. And his friend hadn't even walked by our building yet, so it's not like there was a trail to sniff other than whatever may have been carried by breeze.

Dogs are incredibly smart.

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Post by 082349872349872 »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #101
smogcutter wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Rao’s model, the sociopaths and losers share an understanding that the organization exists for the benefit of the sociopaths, they just respond to it differently. It’s only the clueless who are bamboozled. So idk if it’s a great lens for AF, where all the proletarian animals are more or less equally taken in. But anyway, Benjamin is definitely a loser, not a sociopath! He comes closest to understanding what’s happ…

Tiny nitpick: Benjamin certainly would not want to become a sociopath, but the incumbent sociopaths would doubtlessly love to promote him into their ranks, surreptitiously. Confidence in the power of power to corrupt! (Usually misplaced, thankfully, despite media) (To abuse a Ridley Scott favourite: slip a Marechal’s baton into his rucksack) [this is opposite of the Rabinovich “strategy”, which hints that YC are not…

Then again, in the universe of Benjamin/Squealer fanfic, who's to say we couldn't find the following convo?

— ... Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

— Is it possible to learn this power?

— Not from a pig.

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