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Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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I don't believe it. Dogs' brain matter is a different shade of gray, which only remembers for six weeks.

That’s a clearly absurd proposition. My family’s dogs remember me when i haven’t been around for 6 months, let alone 6 weeks.

The point is, why should it it be surprising.

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#72

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Most dogs are, yes. I train dogs at an animal shelter, and I can tell you that not all dogs are motivated by food. Some will just turn their nose up at even the tastiest of treats. Some of those dogs might rather have a pet on the head or some praise. A rare few don’t seem motivated by much of anything. But for the 80% case, yeah, grab some string cheese and a clicker.[0] [0] https://www.rover.com/blog/clicker-traini…

Perhaps overfed? Have owned dogs all my life, also trained 4 rescues, and various friends' dogs and never yet met one who can resist chicken. Relativity small sample size of about 20 dogs I admit

Perhaps all yours were underfed?

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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It always bothers me how little intelligence we assume of and thus ascribe to the animal kingdom. Especially to our mammalian brethren, who have many of the same underlying neurological mechanisms (though in differing quantities). Dogs have co-evolved with humans for thousands of years. Remembering names seems like a useful albeit unsurprising skill, especially when it comes to recognizing/avoiding danger. “The bear/…

It's almost as if we have some type of coping mechanism. If we recognized more of ourselves in our animals, we would need to treat them more humane. Just look at all the cases in human history where other people were reduced to primitive beings and could be treated more cruelly. If we can rationalize these actions towards fellow humans, I assume that the barrier for accepting animal emotions is even harder to break

Didn’t you just describe several religions’ beliefs about humans and animals, where humans are claimed to be a priori more special in various ways (besides reading that they’re more special)?

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

#74

I've had my Labrador for 12 years, she was about 1 when we rescued her. In the first week I was walking her and passed a bus stop mainly used by school kids. There's a small wall behind it and she dashed around and emerged with half a sausage roll hanging out of her mouth. To this day, every time we pass that spot she enthusiastically pulls and goes round to inspect.

I've never understood people who say dogs are hard to train. They are SO motivated by food

Heck, I’ve got a food-motivated cat and I’ve trained her to do all kinds of tricks.

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#75

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In the case of animal farm, it’s not so much that the dogs are more intelligent than the other animals as that Napoleon takes advantage of their disposition to unshakeable loyalty and need for a master. Likewise, unfortunately, in life. If you have to rank the animals by intelligence, second (or first, even?) is certainly Benjamin the donkey.

Looking through Rao's prism (in which disposition to unshakeable loyalty is a "clueless" trait), Benjamin is a clear "sociopath" candidate: he's (a) laconic, and (b) underperforming.

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Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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I used to watch a family member's dogs. One year one of the dogs got super obsessed with a toy I bought. As I was packing things up, the dog saw me put the toy in a drawer. A year later when dog was dropped off it immediately went to the room with the drawer and waited eagerly for me to open the drawer and retrieve the toy.

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

#77

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I've never understood people who say dogs are hard to train. They are SO motivated by food

Depends on the dog. I’ve trained two puppies this year. The first one was stupid easy to train. Food motivated and could be refocused in every situation with food. Picked up commands quickly. Would do training basically any time of day. Second dog just stares at me if she doesn’t want to be trained or feels the task is too hard. When she gets distracted, it doesn’t matter how high of a reward I give, she won’t take i…

Yes the idea that all dogs are equal and it’s just a mattering of training is a very harmful idea. People get soft about it though because they hit some cute/fuzzy dopamine thing in their brain and don’t take that reality seriously.

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

#78

It always bothers me how little intelligence we assume of and thus ascribe to the animal kingdom. Especially to our mammalian brethren, who have many of the same underlying neurological mechanisms (though in differing quantities). Dogs have co-evolved with humans for thousands of years. Remembering names seems like a useful albeit unsurprising skill, especially when it comes to recognizing/avoiding danger. “The bear/…

Every time I encounter resistance to your points here, I feel like an alien among humans.

I think it cuts so deep into people's psychology, and frequently religion. The very notion that we are not the apex of anything. And that we no longer need to eat other animals to live and be healthy. Too much to bear for many, so it frequently results in low-quality conversation, laden with emotions.

The fact remains, however. Non-human animals are not that different from us. Pretty much all mental behavior is represented in the animal kingdom. They, in so many ways, are us. And we are them.

Why should it be otherwise, after all? It would be strange to have a quantum jump in mental behavior with humans, and only primitive behavior in all other animals.

It'll probably take some centuries for humans to see other animals as inherently worthy of respect.

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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I've had my Labrador for 12 years, she was about 1 when we rescued her. In the first week I was walking her and passed a bus stop mainly used by school kids. There's a small wall behind it and she dashed around and emerged with half a sausage roll hanging out of her mouth. To this day, every time we pass that spot she enthusiastically pulls and goes round to inspect.

This one break area at work had some cookies sitting out one time for people to grab. That was 6 months ago, but I still check every time I pass it...

Re: Dogs can remember names of toys years after not seeing them, study shows

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That's kind of fucked up. They're reinforcing the fact that he should be worried about his food. They're training him to be anxious. If he doesn't want to eat, there's no reason to make him. He'll eat when he's hungry.

Perhaps once it's in the model, it's so hard to re-train that the animal will starve itself in service of the training data?

That's absurd. My dog likes to drink "outside water" so much to the point where he won't drink out of his bowl. After we come back for a walk he wants to run to the back yard and drink out of his puddle. I don't want him to do that. So I don't let him out. He'll whine a bit and paw at the door but eventually he gives up and drinks out of his bowl. Not dying from thirst or lack of food is an instinct that every living organism has.
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