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Ford patents in-car system that eavesdrops so it can play you ads

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yes, but there are also reasons why irony exists. Especially if you layer it just right.

Ironically I don't think think you know what irony is.

shall I explain the ironies of the situation? I wouldn't think it necessary.

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Everything is becoming about ads. Ads, ads everywhere. On phone, on computer, now even car. This despite everyone knowing that consumers HATE ads. It's like companies are using ads as a ransom. Pay us more money on a regular basis else we will make your life miserable with ads and more ads.

That's what happens when innovation is dead and you need to pay the bills: you have to make current products profitable and the easiest way is to pack them with ads

Innovation in the automotive industry is far from dead, this is just the greed from investors seeping through every pore of the company, trying to squeeze as much money as they can get away with.

Making maximum profits for their shareholders should not be the highest goal of corporations nowadays, if they're persons they've become sociopaths.

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> still easy to repair By the time you get to 2019 and the GM T1XX platform the entire drivetrain is as complex as any modern vehicle: AFM/DFM, VVT, E85, Active Thermal Management, Start/Stop, 10L80/90, dynamic stability, etc. In other words, once it starts breaking down out of warranty, repair is uneconomic: non-dealer shops and owners don't have the tools, can't get affordable parts and aren't qualified to do the w…

I don’t think manufacturers are purposely making the cars harder to repair - they have to meet stricter and stricter fuel and air quality standards, so need more and more tech to squeeze out more /same performance while burning less fuel, or burning more thoroughly.

Sure. This is all self evident. Understanding the motivations of manufacturers, however, yields little value: the products they're making now are post-warranty disposable, despite the staggering cost and whatever intent manufacturers might have.

All of this has produced amazing ICE engineering. GM's base model gas truck engine, the L3B, is making 325hp from 166ci under 27psi of boost. Such ratios tell you everything you need to know about the long term fate of that drivetrain: there is zero margin for error, because everything is operating very near the limit of materials science and the capabilities of advanced manufacturing. When it fails, shortly after the warranty expires, fixing it will not be economic.

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If the current products aren't profitable already, how does does the company exist? This doesn't really apply in the Ford case, but the real question is why we let companies burn money to get market share, killing existing sustanable businesses in the process? Once no competition is left, they raise prices and decrease quality, ending up with a worse product than we had before.

> Once no competition is left, they raise prices and decrease quality, ending up with a worse product than we had before. That's the goal of literally every company. They all want to charge you as much as they can possibly get away with, while giving you as little as possible in return because it lowers their costs. Our society has decided that greed is the greatest virtue and the most important consideration in ever…

It’s not that we’ve decided that greed is virtuous; you’ll find critique of the rich throughout our culture. The issue, rather, is that the people with money intrinsically have so much more influence than everyone else, and the incentive to push things in a direction that’s favorable for them, eg direct lobbying and media bias. From an outside perspective, isn’t it insane that news outlets are mostly owned either by billionaires or corporations, given that these all have a shared interest in maintaining a specific economic status quo? It’s a major bug (or feature haha) in the system, and as a consequence effective change is often impossible. It’s not that there’s overt censorship, rather that there’s a constant pressure that pushes threatening ideas to the fringes, leaving only a residue of somewhat harmless social activism as a pressure release valve. I’m not sure how we get out of this; it’s a direct consequence of how the structure works that it’s hard to change.

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I’m no fan of ads, but by your logic this would also mean no radio/music, no cup holders, or anything else that could shift attention off the road. Where does the line get drawn?

One could argue that the whole point of ads is to draw your attention and put things into your memory, which is not necessarily the case for those other things. Some radio programs probably are meant to draw attention, but you could notice this and switch away, which brings us to... > Where does the line get drawn? Ideally by the person who knows most intimately how badly you're being distracted, i.e. you. (Until the…

Self reporting of distraction doesn’t seem to work so good, as evidenced by the number of people texting, scrolling social, or whatever else on their phone, while driving.

Before phone, we still saw men shaving and women putting on their makeup.

I have 0 faith in people to self regulate and avoid distractions while driving. At least at a population level.

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Yeah, until you realize why they're doing it. Hint: it's to drive away "undesirables" like roaming teenagers and homeless people.

I don't understand what's bad about this.

That means you're a bad person.

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When I'm filling my gas tank and the screen on the pump is blaring ads at me I want to smash it. Car companies, please don't also make us want to smash our dash-boards.

Those gas station ads are so offensive to the senses. I want so desperately for them to stop. I used to live near Cupertino, and the Valero station on De Anza and Prospect always played the local classical radio station. Driving a car is pretty tiring, and to take a break and have loud ads projected at you only adds to the stress. To instead step out of your car to modestly amplified classical music is really much be…

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