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Re: A Post-Google World?

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Post by tylerrobinson »

tmpz22 wrote: post #19
LegionMammal978 wrote: post #4

> At some point, they will give up and realize that the writing is on the wall for their current business model. I'd sooner think hell would freeze over than Google would ever 'give up' on its business model of its own accord. I can hardly imagine half of its services being viable as separate businesses. Which might well be a boon for competitors (especially in adtech), but not for any of Google's current employees o…

If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

That bad, huh? I reckon everything you mentioned has a perfect substitute. What am I missing?

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Post by jayrot »

tmpz22 wrote: post #19
LegionMammal978 wrote: post #4

> At some point, they will give up and realize that the writing is on the wall for their current business model. I'd sooner think hell would freeze over than Google would ever 'give up' on its business model of its own accord. I can hardly imagine half of its services being viable as separate businesses. Which might well be a boon for competitors (especially in adtech), but not for any of Google's current employees o…

If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

Miss me with that “Too big to fail” nonsense.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Post by sethjgore »

tylerrobinson wrote: post #21
tmpz22 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

That bad, huh? I reckon everything you mentioned has a perfect substitute. What am I missing?

I would think the sense of seamless integration contributes to the experience. Almost all third party software systems have integrations and plugins that make crossing over between Google suite and these near painless.

Obviously this would be solved if we had a way to centralize our identity and file storage and such across platforms and systems. Yet at the moment the silo is what makes it seems painless and increases its value beyond the fact there’s a substitute to each platform and product.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Post by mbrumlow »

tmpz22 wrote: post #19
LegionMammal978 wrote: post #4

> At some point, they will give up and realize that the writing is on the wall for their current business model. I'd sooner think hell would freeze over than Google would ever 'give up' on its business model of its own accord. I can hardly imagine half of its services being viable as separate businesses. Which might well be a boon for competitors (especially in adtech), but not for any of Google's current employees o…

If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

I think about this a lot and feel like we are in a horrid position.

All of our core service and software is locked up in a handful of companies.

For humanity and the future of software’s sake we need to go back to users of software owning their software, preferably by being free and open source.

It hurts me as somebody who wants to make money off software, but SaaS is just a bad deal for everybody. My compromise is in prim solutions.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Post by BadHumans »

cubefox wrote: post #9
talldayo wrote: post #5

> Neither case is finished. In the Epic Games case, Judge Donato is likely to come out with a proposed remedy shortly, which will basically force Google to allow other app stores to exist. Android users are all glancing at each other like John Travolta in Pulp Fiction right now.

That passage doesn't make sense. Android already allows other app stores, just not entirely without friction. It's iOS which doesn't allow them.

Google's sin was paying other people off which Apple doesn't do because the option to create a competing store doesn't exist.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Post by t0mas88 »

tmpz22 wrote: post #19
LegionMammal978 wrote: post #4

> At some point, they will give up and realize that the writing is on the wall for their current business model. I'd sooner think hell would freeze over than Google would ever 'give up' on its business model of its own accord. I can hardly imagine half of its services being viable as separate businesses. Which might well be a boon for competitors (especially in adtech), but not for any of Google's current employees o…

If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

Email, SSO and Chromebooks all have competitors. And the Google offerings wouldn't disappear, they're profitable products that can be sold. They compete with Microsoft in that space.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Post by danjl »

Nothing will really change. Even if they are found to be a monopoly. The appeals process and the commensurate change in the world during those years will allow Google to work around any proposed remediation before it is enacted.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Post by pestaa »

mbrumlow wrote: post #24
tmpz22 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

I think about this a lot and feel like we are in a horrid position. All of our core service and software is locked up in a handful of companies. For humanity and the future of software’s sake we need to go back to users of software owning their software, preferably by being free and open source. It hurts me as somebody who wants to make money off software, but SaaS is just a bad deal for everybody. My compromise is i…

SaaS is not a bad deal when users pay for the service directly.

And Google have provided tremendous value with their free tools. People forget what it was like before Gmail and Docs.

I sincerely hope we can move away from their business model, but looks to me consumers rather pay with anything but their money.

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