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Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by rtkwe »

_dain_ wrote: post #88

Alright someone has to be the skeptic: there's no fucking god damned way this works as well as the video suggests. There has to be enormous amounts of behind-the-scenes work to support this thing; the idea that it's self-hosting all in one room is an absolutely extraordinary claim. It's a big red flag that they only invite specific people who are good "culture fits", and don't have any public code. They can't risk pe…

They ran an open space for a few years. The things being done aren't that wild. You have cameras tracking fiducials, running an associated script every frame that can either just be text or can pull from the computer to act on things not explicitly on a page in a frame. None of that is conceptually that wild or heavy and people have made versions of this that you can actually see the source of. PaperPrograms is one and Folk Computer is another.

Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by sedatk »

rtkwe wrote: post #119
sedatk wrote: post #78

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Oh, that’s why my HP inkjet refuses to print a black & white page when it’s low on yellow.

Not entirely it also uses bits of color ink to make the black and white page look better, at least according to the printer companies who conveniently also benefit by selling you more ink.

How can it make black look better by adding yellow to it?

Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by infinite8s »

rtkwe wrote: post #180
infinite8s wrote: post #176

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Wait till you realize the projectors and cameras are incidental to the whole thing...

What do you mean? They're critical to making the physical version of DL work. They could be supplanted in VR of course but I don't see how you make an IRL DL without them.

What if eInk paper was as cheap as paper and each sheet had a small processor and could mesh network? What if computing was so cheap you could toss it out when you were done with it like a Kleenex (not a big stretch - an electronic toothbrush has a 3 cent chip which has more computing power than what the Apollo moon shuttle had onboard). Bret is thinking in decades, not years.

Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by calfuris »

sedatk wrote: post #182
rtkwe wrote: post #119

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Not entirely it also uses bits of color ink to make the black and white page look better, at least according to the printer companies who conveniently also benefit by selling you more ink.

How can it make black look better by adding yellow to it?

Black ink isn't perfectly black. Adding other colors of ink makes it darker. If you don't really care about how dark the result is, the term you're probably looking for in settings is "rich black."

Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by latexr »

infinite8s wrote: post #177
latexr wrote: post #151

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I’m surprised Bret is still on Twitter, which is an ever more closed non-communal system. It’s values seem to go against everything Dynamicland upholds.

I think he just used it as a place to announce the new site. If you look at his posting history he's only made 1 per year for the past few years.

> If you look at his posting history

Can’t, as I don’t have an account. That’s part of my point. But thank you for letting me know.

Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by fwip »

jryan49 wrote: post #164
lproven wrote: post #149

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I read your comment, then I read the page. I disagree on every single line. This is not about software. Having the software on its own won't help you. If in 2006, the year before the iPhone came out, you had the software as FOSS, would that help? There was no hardware yet. There was nothing even with a capacitative touch screen with multitouch yet. The whole point of the design was to do away with styli, but all exta…

So if I want to do this I have to invent everything from scratch like he did?

Code is not the invention, it is merely the implementation of the invention.

Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by koolala »

rtkwe wrote: post #131
jdboyd wrote: post #91

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Why VR instead of projectors?

VR comes with the person using it instead of needing many projectors to cover a room at sufficient resolution to display text. There are an open projects that is trying to recreate Dynamicland and their numbers are 50-200 per square foot of covered area between the cameras, projectors and compute required. It doesn't take much space to make equipping multiple people with VR with good pass through competitively priced…

I'm most excited for collaborative software spaces to be online in virtual space as well as with pass-through VR AR. Would make programming online with people so much more fun and homey!

Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by koolala »

Philpax wrote: post #154
koolala wrote: post #71

I'm hopeful VR programming with standardized programming languages and AI will create a Dynamicland-like software environment one day. Social spatial programming just needs to be made fun like building in a game.

Have you seen Resonite? That's probably the closest to that today.

Yes, I am a big Anyland fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g50f6Sjle5o

The goal to me is standard programming languges of all kinds. Lisp VR, Js VR, C VR, LogiX ect. Wasm is almost a polyglot. How we interact with Text and Code Execution is expandable in my mind.

Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by whazor »

This would make so much sense on a interactive whiteboards and class rooms. Teachers could print new class material they find on the internet

Re: Dynamicland 2024

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Post by d--b »

rtkwe wrote: post #179
d--b wrote: post #114

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Can you “pipe” the results of one paper onto one of the inputs of the next? That’d be pretty funky.

Anything on the table is open to reference by anything else on the table afaik. Direct references are usually done as cursors projected off the page so you can "point" and "click" on other objects to control precisely what you reference or select with the other tool. You could also implement input and output piping between programs in a more organized way where their physical orientation isn't as critical as most pag…

Right, I guess that's why it's called Realtalk, it's sort of messge based like smalltalk but with real stuff. Infinite recursions and resource conflicts must be tough to handle.
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