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Re: ICANN is wrong

#71
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It's not entirely different, but those were the rules everyone was playing by then. So in that sense it's very different. We haven't agreed to these new rules yet. I don't think we should. Hopefully that's not too subtle.

"We haven't agreed to these new rules yet." Who's "we" sucka? (Sorry - see 2:17 in on the following had to crack a rare joke): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoXDzsuqXFg "the rules everyone was playing by then" The rules are clearly laid out now. The difference is that you need to be able to pay real money to play now. Some of that is greed and some is practical. You need to limit the applicants to organizations with…

> You need to limit the applicants to organizations with the financial wherewithal to be able to provide the stability needed

Right, like Sun, Netscape, Digital Equipment Corporation, Silicon Graphics, GM, Lehman Brothers, etc.

If any industry should know that "financial wherewithall" != stability, it's the technology industry.

Re: ICANN is wrong

#72
post #29

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In addition to being uninformed about the basic facts here, I think you are overestimating the market for $7 - $50/yr blog hosting and underestimating the brand value of an exclusive Blogger TLD.

I didn't mean hosting, I just mean selling the subdomain. Like Verisign sells *.com subdomains.

How much does Google care about $18 million?

(That's assuming they sell millions of domains at a decent price per. They currently make that revenue in a few hours.)

Re: ICANN is wrong

#73
post #42

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"Not so sure about Amazon buying .amazon, because it also is the name of a rainforest in South America, and .apple could be a problem for growers and lovers of the fruit." Seems like I covered the Apple case.

But you did not cover the critical issue; you have not distinguished between www.sex and www.sex.com: "the problem. And it extends to words and concepts that weren't created by anyone living today. Sex, love, laughter, babies, books, songs, cars, poetry, etc. These things shouldn't be TLDs, they're too important, too basic to life. Not the kinds of things any company, for crying out loud, should be able to claim to o…

It's simple, really. A domain name like poetry.com is as accessible to the average person as it is to a company. A TLD on the other hand is something you need to take out a mortgage to own.

The difference is in the democracy of it all. Acquiring domain names is a very democratic process even if you take into account squatting and other shenanigans. Scrounge up ten bucks and a web connection and it's yours. TLDs aren't even close. It's a total plutocracy and ICANN seems totally unapologetic about it while the companies snatching them up look ridiculous when they put a line in their proposal about how their ownership of some random word as a TLD is in our, the users, best interest.

How can anyone overlook that? It's practically beating us over the head, taunting us.

Re: ICANN is wrong

#74
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Each reason the author gives against the new TLDs also applies to domain names. For example, he writes: "Not so sure about Amazon buying .amazon, because it also is the name of a rainforest in South America, and .apple could be a problem for growers and lovers of the fruit." But the same reasoning applies for domain names: "Not so sure about Amazon buying amazon.com, because it also is the name of a rainforest in Sou…

The Amazon rainforest is not a commercial entity. Associating the rainforest with .com makes no sense.

There are plenty of non-commercial entities with .com addresses.

Re: ICANN is wrong

#75
post #42

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But you did not cover the critical issue; you have not distinguished between www.sex and www.sex.com: "the problem. And it extends to words and concepts that weren't created by anyone living today. Sex, love, laughter, babies, books, songs, cars, poetry, etc. These things shouldn't be TLDs, they're too important, too basic to life. Not the kinds of things any company, for crying out loud, should be able to claim to o…

It's simple, really. A domain name like poetry.com is as accessible to the average person as it is to a company. A TLD on the other hand is something you need to take out a mortgage to own. The difference is in the democracy of it all. Acquiring domain names is a very democratic process even if you take into account squatting and other shenanigans. Scrounge up ten bucks and a web connection and it's yours. TLDs aren'…

Well this is a separate argument than above but I will bite:

"Acquiring domain names is a very democratic process even if you take into account squatting and other shenanigans."

Since when?

But more importantly how am I harmed by the new TLDs?

Re: ICANN is wrong

#76
post #29

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I didn't mean hosting, I just mean selling the subdomain. Like Verisign sells *.com subdomains.

How much does Google care about $18 million? (That's assuming they sell millions of domains at a decent price per. They currently make that revenue in a few hours.)

Yeah, that's what worries me. The strategic value of controlling some TLDs will be higher than the value of renting them out.

Re: ICANN is wrong

#77

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Eh? .com is for companies. amazon.org or amazon.info might work.

.com was for companies originally. It's been a long time since that was true.

it's still true in some country TLDs, like .com.au for example.

Re: ICANN is wrong

#78
IMHO, the biggest problem of gTLD is the inequality created on the Internet. Google.com's registry cost is less than $8/year, just like any random .com domain. Everyone has the fair chance to get a domain and start a business online.

But when the gTLDs are available for grabs, the big companies will definitely get their trademarks as TLDs, even when they have no intention to open that to the public. gTLD scheme is not new - .COM is managed by Verisign, the same way as the potential .google being managed by Google. What's new is the removal of the requirement of opening for public registration, and much less regulation and evaluation of eligibility.

When the big companies have their special branding schemes, small businesses lose out. Suppose that the new gTLD scheme is a huge success (which IMO not likely), .google, .apple and .amazon are official tags for big companies, and .COM will be the small business paradise. This divide is definitely harmful for internet development.

Re: ICANN is wrong

#79
post #2

If it's a company's trademark, fine -- let them buy the corresponding TLD. No harm done. Bzzzt, wrong. Trademarks are industry-specific: that's why Apple Records can exist alongside Apple Computer. If there's no likelihood of confusion, there's no conflict. And of course, trademarks are not fully international. Winer is right about ICANN being wrong. There's just so much else that ICANN is wrong about.

Glad to see this is the #1 comment.

Many do not understand this point. Unlike domain names, which are ambiguous, trademarks have a couple of dimensions that allow ambiguity to be greatly reduced: class and geographical scope.

I have actually developed a solution for the domain name ambiguity problem. It respects all trademark owners, not just the ones who pay ICANN the most. (Aside from squatters, registrars and registries, ICANN takes a small percentage of every defensive registration for every trademark in existence. Now ICANN has upped the ante to well over $200K.)

Of course, it is a simple solution and I doubt anyone is interested. The way things are structured, with ICANN encouraging (by ignoring) conflict and promoting a "winner take all" approach to naming, is beneficial to those who are gaming the system. And it is quite easy to exploit ambiguity, "winner take all", and to game this system.

The root really isn't as important as people are led to believe. It's the large registries that are more important, such as .com. If a user wants to access names in a fringe tld registry, whatever it may be, he can tune his DNS to allow that. If the content on sites in that tld is that good, he'll make the effort to adjust his DNS settings. It is not prohibitively difficuly by any means.

ICANN wants to play the registry game, after years of watching domaining and repurposed cctld's making millions for others. The root is all they have. So, like a registry, they want to open the root zone to domainers, which will also force the hand of trademark holders who need to register defensively. ICANN knows exactly how this all works, and this is a calculated move to enrich insiders.

The person at ICANN who was supposedly running the program just resigned. A replacement was just announced.

I'm always surprised when people defend ICANN and their root. The root is not so important. If you have your system tuned to access the .com/.net servers, you can access the majority of the internet. Add .org and the cctld's and you have almost 99%. The root zone is not very dynamic. You can run your own copy. It rarely changes. But the root is all ICANN has with respect to naming (IANA is the real jewel of their crown, though the US Dept of Commerce may take that away if ICANN is not careful). ICANN wants to play the domain name game. If this whole new gtld proposal does not make you see the level of double dealing going on at ICANN, I'm not sure what will.

ICANN's role is overstated. The addresses of the tld servers we all use rarely change. Any user could manage their own copy of the root. The root really just serves to prime DNS caches. It is not something that should get queried very often.

Re: ICANN is wrong

#80

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You are not forcing them to own it defensively. For $2k - less than pocket money for Google - they can register their trademark with the ICANN which prevents others from applying for it.

The explanation you gave still requires paying money, again, as a purely defensive move. Fine, you don't care about Google since it has so much "pocket money" laying around. How about startups that can't afford to throw 2K around every time ICANN decides to add TLDs?

So it's a startup that is small enough for $2k to be too much, but big enough for competitors to be spending $200k+ to abuse their trademark as a TLD?

Where can I find this whimsical company?

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