Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Intel Honesty

stratechery.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 426 posts

Re: Intel Honesty

#131

Post by cogman10 »

closeparen wrote: post #78
amluto wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the issues are way downstream of those NIMBYs: Non-housing costs are quite low in Taiwan. Food and childcare, in particular, are so much cheaper than California that it’s hard to believe. But the NIMBYs aren’t totally in the clear. Rental housing with 3+ bedrooms (for families) is severely lacking in much of the US. Maybe fire codes are to blame. Taiwan is full of very nice new high-rise development that cont…

While there are a number of technical issues with respect to the limited trickle of multifamily permits that are given, the fundamental dynamic is that engaged voters don't want to see significantly more people living in the region, and therefore it doesn't happen.

Yeah, it has a lot to do with selfishness. More housing means more people means you have a lower property value for you home in the area. Further, it means your vote becomes less powerful as the poors that live in the high rise have the same voting power as you do in your single family home.

Re: Intel Honesty

#132

Post by sgu999 »

ghaff wrote: post #94
lotsofpulp wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the equation must be the simple fact that the US is big and has the option to give many people the 0.1+ acre detached single family home with a yard and 2+ car driveway/garage lifestyle (and schools with more exclusive student populations). In smaller places, that simply isn’t an option, so there exists greater demand for family living in high rises.

Yeah, very few people who want and can afford 3-bedroom homes want to be renting apartments. I assume that even in New York City, the number of 3-bedroom condos is pretty minimal as a percentage because most people who want that kind of space just move to West Chester or Connecticut.

Part of the problem is what is available. If you're a Japanese or a Taiwanese, that detached single family home with a massive garden around it is simply not an option, so you don't feel worst off than anyone else by living in a small house or in a high rise.

Other advantage is that keeping cities very dense and preventing urban sprawl means everyone has access to nature quickly, through public transports.

Re: Intel Honesty

#133

Post by jay_kyburz »

geodel wrote: post #101
amluto wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the issues are way downstream of those NIMBYs: Non-housing costs are quite low in Taiwan. Food and childcare, in particular, are so much cheaper than California that it’s hard to believe. But the NIMBYs aren’t totally in the clear. Rental housing with 3+ bedrooms (for families) is severely lacking in much of the US. Maybe fire codes are to blame. Taiwan is full of very nice new high-rise development that cont…

All true. The question still remains how many US folks can /want to go live in Taiwan vs How many Taiwanese can / want to live in US suburban dystopia. And I say this as immigrant to US increasingly disenchanted by suburbia. From what I read housing price to income ratio has increased ~2.5 times from 6.5 to 15.8 in last two decades in Taiwan. And it seems to be worse in new developments in city like Taipei. At a top…

As a non US citizen, I think there are a lot of high level cultural issues that would prevent me considering a job in the US, well before I pulled out a calculator and starting comparing salary to cost of living.

I won't enumerate them because it would be sure to offend somebody (everybody?).

Re: Intel Honesty

#134

Post by wmf »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #32
zelias wrote: post #8

I like the proposed approach of purchase guarantees here. Directly injecting cash into Intel just creates a moral hazard where they spend the money dealing with organizational inertia than innovating in the space. Plus, the government could even turn a profit reselling its purchased semiconductors to various US companies! The US ecosystem badly needs a serious Intel competitor -- because they just ain't it.

> Plus, the government could even turn a profit reselling its purchased semiconductors to various US companies! No freaking way. How do you think that’s feasible, considering how fast depreciation goes in semiconductors?

Pork bellies also go bad but you can make money trading them. You don't even take delivery.

Re: Intel Honesty

#135

Post by maratc »

api wrote: post #71
bee_rider wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main reason there will never be a “year of Linux on the desktop” is that desktops became irrelevant before Microsoft became… whatever it is now.

Desktops are irrelevant? Other than a few things does any actual work happen on mobile devices? I think it would be correct to say that present-day desktops are mature and stable and aren't rapidly changing because they fill a mature niche. Mobile does seem to have decimated the casual computing and much of the non-work-related computing niche, at least for non-technical people. I wonder if there's an argument to be…

> Other than a few things does any actual work happen on mobile devices?

Outside of browsers, not much work happens on desktops either...

Re: Intel Honesty

#136

Post by insane_dreamer »

closeparen wrote: post #50

>Their pay in the Bay Area is double tsmc in taiwan for equivalent roles in raw dollar terms but the ppp differences means your better off working for tsmc in Taiwan than intel in the Bay Area. That’s not a joke. Intel are literally incapable of attracting talent from Taiwan right now. There's some whiplash in hearing constantly how the US is a corporate-dominated oligarchy, and then also seeing trillion-dollar indus…

> trillion-dollar industries at the forefront of the global economy constantly getting their shit rocked by a few dozen NIMBY retirees at city council meetings

A lot of Intel R&D (and all their manufacturing) is outside the Bay Area, i.e., Oregon and elsewhere, so not sure this is a factor in their case.

Re: Intel Honesty

#137

Post by colechristensen »

foobarian wrote: post #123
colechristensen wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Rental housing with 3+ bedrooms (for families) is severely lacking in much of the US. Maybe fire codes are to blame. Taiwan is full of very nice new high-rise development that contains units with lots of bedrooms. Wandering around those developments and the new 3-story developments in California, the ones in Taiwan are much, much, much nicer, even from the outside. The NIMBYs should take note. And it's because of zo…

How could we get a council of a half-dozen visionaries to own a city-sized chunk of land and design a utopia, communist party-style but done right? I really think this is not possible without it being a private parcel where there aren't thousands of individual property owners in the loop for decision making.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_utopian_commu...

People try this thing on a fairly regular basis.

You're thinking "wouldn't it be great if there was a community led by an absolute authority which agrees with me" and, uh, that kind of thing doesn't scale, last, or continue agreeing with you for a particularly long amount of time.

>I really think this is not possible without it being a private parcel where there aren't thousands of individual property owners in the loop for decision making.

This is just saying democracy is bad. Ok, but go find me an example of something else that has actually worked.

It's troubling how people think dictatorship is the solution to their problems these days. It's not even one particular viewpoint that falls into this, people of all positions are increasingly advocating for authoritarian solutions.

Re: Intel Honesty

#138

Post by insane_dreamer »

andy_xor_andrew wrote: post #6

US chip production really needs its SpaceX moment, but it seems like it will never happen, and we're left with the crumbling empire of Intel. By "SpaceX moment", I mean a startup entering an impossible market, where the barrier to entry is billions of dollars of research and manufacturing, a market dominated by industry giants from the 60s, and yet still coming out on top somehow.

> By "SpaceX moment", I mean a startup entering an impossible market, where the barrier to entry is billions of dollars of research and manufacturing, a market dominated by industry giants from the 60s, and yet still coming out on top somehow.

This already happened and the startup was TSMC. Unfortunately for the U.S., it's in Taiwan.

Re: Intel Honesty

#139

Post by nick3443 »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #133
geodel wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All true. The question still remains how many US folks can /want to go live in Taiwan vs How many Taiwanese can / want to live in US suburban dystopia. And I say this as immigrant to US increasingly disenchanted by suburbia. From what I read housing price to income ratio has increased ~2.5 times from 6.5 to 15.8 in last two decades in Taiwan. And it seems to be worse in new developments in city like Taipei. At a top…

As a non US citizen, I think there are a lot of high level cultural issues that would prevent me considering a job in the US, well before I pulled out a calculator and starting comparing salary to cost of living. I won't enumerate them because it would be sure to offend somebody (everybody?).

You yada yada'd over the best part!
Post reply on HN