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The coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns [pdf] (2023)

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Re: The coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns [pdf] (2023)

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Very interesting paper.

> I show that the decline in interest rates and corporate tax rates over the past three decades accounts for the majority of the period’s exceptional stock market performance.

It's interesting that they've shown this to the exclusion of other narratives, mainly frontier markets like semiconductors and software allowing "easy" creation of value. I think this is partially why investors are so eager to dump so much cash into AI/why Zuckerberg has been so focused on VR/AR—they're looking not just for a solid investment, but an opportunity to get into the rent-seeking class on the ground floor. Why would you invest in a piece of software when you could invest in a "platform" (aka privately-owned market) instead?

Of course, we can't just create these platforms out of nowhere—they require enormous moats like exclusive access to IP or regulatory capture or enormous production capacity or some sort of similar gimmick, and there's only a finite number of these. It seems like this is also a significant reason why growth isn't infinite and should be expected to slow and even reverse in time.

I haven't finished the paper but I eagerly look forward to reading it in full later.

EDIT: spelling, wording, I'm done editing; apologies.

Re: The coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns [pdf] (2023)

#3

Very interesting paper. > I show that the decline in interest rates and corporate tax rates over the past three decades accounts for the majority of the period’s exceptional stock market performance. It's interesting that they've shown this to the exclusion of other narratives, mainly frontier markets like semiconductors and software allowing "easy" creation of value. I think this is partially why investors are so ea…

well, they're looking at earnings growth, not profit margins. You could have a company that increases profitability YoY and not grow revenue as well. It's less typical, but certainly possible with technology companies. I think this paper misses that fact.

Re: The coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns [pdf] (2023)

#4
I could be mistaken but using the S&P500 index might be slightly problematic in that the companies that compose this index change all the time. This almost guarantees that the index increases in value over time as high performers are added and low performers are removed. There is an upward bias.

I don't doubt that overall, on average, much growth has come from a 40 year decline in interest rates and a consistent lowering of corporate taxes, but new companies in new industries will continue to be founded and feature explosive growth. We aren't stuck with a static set of companies.

Re: The coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns [pdf] (2023)

#5
I'm sure absurd parasitic government interference, lawfare, and shareholder activism in public corporations has nothing to do with all the good companies going private, ergo smart people telling the lawyers to go to hell, old people with pensions hardest hit.

Re: The coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns [pdf] (2023)

#6
The paper emphasizes that much of the extraordinary stock market performance since 1989 was driven by "good luck" rather than compensation for risk, and future returns will likely be more modest unless structural changes occur.

This perspective underplays the role of innovation, globalization, and technological advancements.

Re: The coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns [pdf] (2023)

#7
I believe in almost no predictions that assert a change from the existing regime. Regime shifts of this scale (a stop to equity growth) are extremely rare. But nobody publishes papers on why the existing status quo will continue. The show will go on, technology will be deflationary, which will support interest rate drops. Inflation will get sucked out of the economy, and life will go on.

Anyone that ever acted on advice like in this paper lost insane amounts of money.

Re: The coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns [pdf] (2023)

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post #4

I could be mistaken but using the S&P500 index might be slightly problematic in that the companies that compose this index change all the time. This almost guarantees that the index increases in value over time as high performers are added and low performers are removed. There is an upward bias. I don't doubt that overall, on average, much growth has come from a 40 year decline in interest rates and a consistent lowe…

Yes, the S&P500 could in a sense be said to implement a momentum based trading strategy.

Re: The coming long-run slowdown in corporate profit growth and stock returns [pdf] (2023)

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I'm sure absurd parasitic government interference, lawfare, and shareholder activism in public corporations has nothing to do with all the good companies going private, ergo smart people telling the lawyers to go to hell, old people with pensions hardest hit.

At this point, I'm not sure why you'd want to go public unless it's simply to cash out ASAP. Everything you just described seems like major hell to deal with.
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