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Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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Re: Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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There are actually a ton of reasons to like London. The engineering talent is close to bay level for fintech/security systems engineers while being 60% of the price, it has 186% deductions with cash back instead of carry forward for R&D spending, it has the best AI researchers in the world and profit from patents is only taxed at 10% in the UK.

If London has the best AI researchers in the world, why are all the top companies (minus Mistral) American?

Demis Hassabis says that half of all innovations that caused the recent AI boom came from DeepMind, which is London based.

Re: Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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It's 1999 all over again.

Agreed, the AI bubble is very, very real. Not that LLMs are all hype, they’re certainly impressive with useful applications, but AI companies are getting insane valuations with zero proof that they’re viable businesses.

Everyone is selling shovels but no one is building mines.

Re: Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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The successful companies that came out of the dot com bubble era actually proved their business viability before getting major investment, though. Amazon is one of the most famous successes of the era. Bezos quit his job, launched the business out of his garage, with seed money being $10K of his own savings, and was doing $20K/week in sales just 30 days later. And I believe their only VC round before going public was…

The interesting thing is that if $1B is their seed round, their series A is probably going to be larger than a lot of typical IPOs.

Re: Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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Lots of dismissive comments here. Ilya proved himself as a leader, scientist, and engineer over the past decade with OpenAI for creating break-through after break-through that no one else had. He’s raised enough to compete at the level of Grok, Claude, et al. He’s offering investors a pure play AGI investment, possibly one of the only organizations available to do so. Who else would you give $1B to pursue that? That’…

I repeatedly keep seeing praise for Ilyas achievements as a scientist and engineer, but until ChatGPT OpenAI was in the shadow of DeepMind, and to my knowledge (I might be wrong) he has not been that much involved with ChatGPT?

the whole LLM race seems deaccelerate, and all the hard problems about LLMs seems not do have had that much progress the last couple of years (?)

In my naaive view I think a guy like David Silver the creator/co-lead of Alpha-Zero deserves more praise, atleast as a leader/scientist. He even have lectures about Deep RL after doing AlphaGo: https://www.davidsilver.uk/teaching/

He has no LinkedIn and came straight from the game-dev industry before learning about RL.

I would put my money on him.

Re: Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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There are actually a ton of reasons to like London. The engineering talent is close to bay level for fintech/security systems engineers while being 60% of the price, it has 186% deductions with cash back instead of carry forward for R&D spending, it has the best AI researchers in the world and profit from patents is only taxed at 10% in the UK.

If London has the best AI researchers in the world, why are all the top companies (minus Mistral) American?

People are choosing headquarters for access to capital rather than talent. That should tell you a lot about the current dynamics of the AI boom.

Re: Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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Same funding as OpenAI when they started, but SSI explicitly declared their intention not to release a single product until superintelligence is reached. Closest thing we have to a Manhattan Project in the modern era?

> Closest thing we have to a Manhattan Project in the modern era? Minus the urgency, scientific process, well-defined goals, target dates, public ownership, accountability...

... Hiroshima

Re: Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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Lots of dismissive comments here. Ilya proved himself as a leader, scientist, and engineer over the past decade with OpenAI for creating break-through after break-through that no one else had. He’s raised enough to compete at the level of Grok, Claude, et al. He’s offering investors a pure play AGI investment, possibly one of the only organizations available to do so. Who else would you give $1B to pursue that? That’…

All I’m saying is you used the word “if” a lot there. AGI assumes exponential, preferably infinite and continuous improvement, something unseen before in business or nature. Neither siri nor Alexa were sold as AGI and neither alone come close to a $1B product. gpt and other LLMs has quickly become a commodity, with AI companies racing to the bottom for inference costs. I don’t really see the plan, product wise. Moreo…

"if" is the name of the game in investing.

you say you don't see it. fine. these investors do - thats why they are investing and you are not.

Re: Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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In 2022 Ilya Sutskever claimed there wasn't a distinction: > It may look—on the surface—that we are just learning statistical correlations in text. But it turns out that to ‘just learn’ the statistical correlations in text, to compress them really well, what the neural network learns is some representation of the process that produced the text. This text is actually a projection of the world. ( https://www.youtube.co…

Which basic counting tests do they still fail? Recent examples I've seen fall well within the range of innumeracy that people routinely display. I feel like a lot of people are stuck in the mindset of 10 years ago, when transformers weren't even invented yet and state-of-the-art models couldn't identify a bird, no matter how much capabilities advance.

> Recent examples I've seen fall well within the range of innumeracy that people routinely display.

But the company name specifically says "superintelligence"

The company isn't named "as smart as the average redditor, Inc"

Re: Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B

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Lots of comments either defending this ("it's taking a chance on being the first to build AGI with a proven team") or saying "it's a crazy valuation for a 3 month old startup". But both of these "sides" feel like they miss the mark to me.

On one hand, I think it's great that investors are willing to throw big chunks of money at hard (or at least expensive) problems. I'm pretty sure all the investors putting money in will do just fine even if their investment goes to zero, so this feels exactly what VC funding should be doing, rather than some other common "how can we get people more digitally addicted to sell ads?" play.

On the other hand, I'm kind of baffled that we're still talking about "AGI" in the context of LLMs. While I find LLMs to be amazing, and an incredibly useful tool (if used with a good understanding of their flaws), the more I use them, the more that it becomes clear to me that they're not going to get us anywhere close to "general intelligence". That is, the more I have to work around hallucinations, the more that it becomes clear that LLMs really are just "fancy autocomplete", even if it's really really fancy autocomplete. I see lots of errors that make sense if you understand an LLM is just a statistical model of word/token frequency, but you would expect to never see these kinds of errors in a system that had a true understanding of underlying concepts. And while I'm not in the field so I may have no right to comment, there are leaders in the field, like LeCun, who have expressed basically the same idea.

So my question is, has Sutskever et al provided any acknowledgement of how they intend to "cross the chasm" from where we are now with LLMs to a model of understanding, or has it been mainly "look what we did before, you should take a chance on us to make discontinuous breakthroughs in the future"?

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