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Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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It's not Apple ripping off users, it's a price of state-sponsored healthcare and education. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

I cannot see how governments spending money on education and hospitals means that Apple prices are higher?!

(Unless you're talking about higher sales tax/VAT?)

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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post #91
post #34

It's not Apple ripping off users, it's a price of state-sponsored healthcare and education. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

I cannot see how governments spending money on education and hospitals means that Apple prices are higher?! (Unless you're talking about higher sales tax/VAT?)

Yes, it's exactly what I'm saying: retail prices in Europe include VAT and it's about 20-25%, same as difference between the value of one dollar and one euro. And, in general, taxes are higher in Europe because of higher government spendings.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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I feel obliged to repost this. Updated prices in Brazil: Air 11": R$2699 -> R$3699 (1849 USD) MBP 13": R$3599 -> R$3999 (2000 USD) New MBP: R$9999 (4500 USD - WHAT??) New MBP maxed out: R$15973 (~8000 USD...) Import tax is 60% for individuals, around 40%, maybe less for importers. $2199 * 1.4 * 2.06 (today's USD, predicted to go Now, what were you saying about being ripped off? [edit] just for kicks I maxed out a Mac…

Isn't Apple working on manufacturing iPads in Brazil to avoid import taxes?

The iPad 3 is still priced at R$1599, iPad 2 R$1299, which is not that bad. Apparently they are already producing iPhones over there, but the price hasn't been affected.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

#94
post #48

In Europe you are forced to give your customer 2 years of warranty on certain products. E.g. computer hardware or electronics. Apple refused to in the past (and still had their crazy EUR prices then). But now, after being dragged to court about it in Italy, and loosing, they at least have a good reason to charge more in Europe. ;) This is the case for most vendors. E.g. my Panasonic GH2 camera did cost a bit more in…

Apple's warranty policies in Europe are still a disgrace, unfortunately. The warranty on a laptop charger is only one year, instead of two, for example. They aren't cheap to replace either (€80 for a simple cable?!). The warranty on an iPod is useless when there's a crack in the screen: defects that have nothing to do with the screen will only be fixed for a hefty price. The advice is to "just buy a new one". In the…

I had my laptop charger replaced four years after purchase. The Sale of Goods act trumps Apple's policies. The power cable is a vital component of the overall product.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

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post #87
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, don't forget our lovely European regulations. The costs of hiring employees and handling business in Europe is higher than in US if I'm not mistaken. Finally, I'd guess that Apple pays its contractors in USD. So if today 1 USD = 0.8 EUR, Apple needs to consider the fact that tomorrow it may be 1 USD = 0.9 EUR, and the price needs to reflect this scenario as well (they cannot change the price every single month…

Well, don't forget our lovely European regulations. The costs of hiring employees and handling business in Europe is higher than in US if I'm not mistaken. That's a cost I'm willing to take. I don't want sweatshops like China, or CEOs who can threaten all employees with at will firings if they don't give up their stock options (Zynga IIRC). Give me good old fashioned rights any day.

The MacBook was built in a sweatshop in China -- unless your nation has import tariffs, European regulations won't help that. But the price of a MacBook is still higher than in the US.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

#96
post #3

I don't think it's that strange. Let's compare the cost of the same MacBook Air in the US and France. 1. MacBook Air 11-inch : 64GB in US is $999. 2. MacBook Air 11-inch : 64GB in France is €1,049 3. $1 = €0.80 at the current time. So you might think the MacBook Air should be €800 (999 * 0.80). So why it is €249 more? France levies 19.6% TVA (sales tax) on goods and the tax is included in the display price; the US le…

Apple products sold in Europe have a base warranty of 2 years. In the US, only 1 year.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

#97
Why is McDonalds ripping off European customers? In my somewhat limited experience (3 years in Belgium and 2 in Sweden), the only good that has anything to do with the exchange rate is the dollar itself. For everything else, $1 ~= 1 euro ~= 10 SEK ~= 1 pound. Look at the cost of a cheese burger at McDonalds.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Apple ripping of European users? 1€ ≠ 1$

#98
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically, but setting up a business in Greece doesn't get you the same degree of market access to the EU as setting up a business in New Mexico gets you to the US. You still have to deal with a lot of very different sovereign states, languages and mentalities. A Swedish customer is not going to feel much different about dealing with Greek business than dealing with a Russian one. Imagine you want to start a busi…

As a citizen of a country in the EU, I certainly feel different about dealing with a Greek business than a Russian one. For one, I know they are required to provide me with a two year warranty by law. Likewise, there are other community directives that I know Greece was required to implement and that apply to them. I also feel more confident about my ability to influence consumer protection entities in case something…

Consumer protection laws are independent of the country where stuff is made or where the manufacturer legally resides. Every company selling to EU consumers must abide by them. For examples, google the complaints about Apple using "4G" in their iPad marketing materials, or discussions about the usefulness of AppleCare (most of what it promises you already is a consumer right)
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