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Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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I'm no photographer, but enjoyed these stunning photos nevertheless and shared this link with some friends. One thing I noticed though (and as you posted it on HN, I think it's not nitpicking for pointing it out): why are you hijacking mouse clicks?! I really, really hate it when I command-click (open in a new tab) on a link, and the site decides that, no, you really should view the content in the same tab...

Ooh, hadn't thoughht of that. You must be talking about the table of contents, in which I use some quick JS to listen for clicks on the box to call a load actions with _self as the target. I didn't even think that would effect those who explicitly do new tabs.

(if you meant for ulterior purposes, no...I don't even explicitly load in jquery, hence the sloppy inline JS)

Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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As someone with 25 years of photography, I cannot recommend this "book". Starting with the very first photo, a typical photojournalist shot, super wide angle shooting into the sun photo. This just continues into the book with cliched subjects (sunsets, cats) and advice like "take lots of photos" The section in aperture starts out with a photo that's hard to look at its so badly exposed. The section on metering is jus…

You don't think "take lots of photos" is good advice? I'm curious how you would recommend people improve their skill in general.

Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you know of better books it would be a nice idea to put them on your comment (bashing is good, but giving alternatives is better). For instance, I dived in the technical basics of my old SLR with this book I found at my parent's house: Photography - the guide to technique by Andrew Hawkins, Dennis Avon [1]. This is probably an outdated and now useless guide, but answered me many questions I had when I started. [1]…

I deliberately avoided suggesting alternatives because I think the best advice for a beginner is to stop with all the pretentious 'arty' photo techniques and take snapshots. But, if pressed, I would suggest this book. http://www.amazon.com/Photography-Very-Short-Introduction-In... Most colleges have continuing education classes in photography. Stanford for example, I know does.

Heh, I think it's funny you and I are in disagreement...I see myself as being on the opposite end of the "artsy" spectrum since that wasn't highly valued at the newspaper.

Obviously, photos I take on my own are loosened up but I lean towards realism. Not using a flash is a deliberate decision to preserve as much of the lighting in a dark scene, even at the risk of underexposure or excess ambient light from a slow shutter speed. Anyway, the book you recommend is not a bad one, but on a brief skim, it's more about the history and place of photography than snapshot technique. I don't disagree that that has worth, it's just not what I'm aiming for in my admittedly brief guide.

Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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As someone with 25 years of photography, I cannot recommend this "book". Starting with the very first photo, a typical photojournalist shot, super wide angle shooting into the sun photo. This just continues into the book with cliched subjects (sunsets, cats) and advice like "take lots of photos" The section in aperture starts out with a photo that's hard to look at its so badly exposed. The section on metering is jus…

You don't think "take lots of photos" is good advice? I'm curious how you would recommend people improve their skill in general.

Improvement happens when you learn from your mistakes, not when you repeat them million times over, i.e. you can take a lot of photos but if you never stop to think what was good and what was bad in them you won't improve. On the other hand, you can take less photos, but carefully analyze the result and improve a lot.

Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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WARNING: negative feedback ahead.

Disclaimer: I'm a pro photographer (as in I get paid for taking photos), and I had a few exhibitions.

A few important points, if you want to become a good photographer:

1) My philosophy with most art teachers/book writers is - unless your art makes me say "wow", you can't teach me much. There are many truly great photographers out there. Dan Nguyen is not one of them.

I look at his photos, and most of them are properly exposed, somewhat properly framed, sometimes they have something interesting, but most of the time they are mind-numbingly boring and mediocre.

2) His idea of posting technical details next to a photo is not new, but, most importantly, it's completely useless. I remember when I just got into photography, I was looking at all the cool photos and I really wanted to know the f-stop, the exposure, the ISO that the author used. It took me about a year to figure out it didn't matter. Main reason being - you will never encounter that exact scene with that exact lighting.

Even if you magically come to that same exact spot, same time, same date of the year, magically frame the shot the same way, set all the exact settings, you will NOT end up with the same picture.

3) Photography is art - don't be a fucking robot. Play with the camera settings, they are really trivial. It shouldn't take you more than a day to figure out how aperture, exposure and ISO work.

4) Trying to replicate some cool photo online is a good learning technique, but you don't simply do it by replicating the camera settings.

5) Now the most important point of learning how to photograph well: STOP READING TECHNICAL GARBAGE. Sites like dpreview are full of "photographers" who endlessly discuss their gear, their camera settings, and then you look at their photographs, and they are fucking boring and lack any taste (just to be fair, there are good photographers on dpreview).

Stop it, and look at photos instead. You should look at hundreds of photos a day, that's the only way to develop your photographic taste. And try not to get stuck on user-submitted websites like photo.net or flickr, there's a ton of crap there. Instead seek the best photographers in whatever area interests you - street, portraiture, landscape, etc.

Go to your local store and look at the photo books (not the technical ones, art ones). You will be pleasantly surprised with the quality of photos.

Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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I just read the article, "Why even buy a camera?" because it's a subject near and dear to my heart, one I've debated with many photographer friends. Many insist that you should learn on a camera with manual controls, and some insist that it's all in the light and any camera will do. You handled this question perfectly. Not even kidding. Down to every finer point of debate, you nailed the balance and gave the best, mo…

  > and some insist that it's all in the light and any camera
  > will do.
This is really simple: given favourable conditions pretty much any camera will give you decent results. The point of having decent camere is that it expands the boundaries of "favourable conditions" immensely.

Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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WARNING: negative feedback ahead. Disclaimer: I'm a pro photographer (as in I get paid for taking photos), and I had a few exhibitions. A few important points, if you want to become a good photographer: 1) My philosophy with most art teachers/book writers is - unless your art makes me say "wow", you can't teach me much. There are many truly great photographers out there. Dan Nguyen is not one of them. I look at his p…

I agree with looking at photographs, especially curated collections (published books, exhibitions).

"It shouldn't take you more than a day to figure out how aperture, exposure and ISO work."

I disagree with this from the perspective of teaching this stuff to teenagers (some decades ago now I admit). Probably easier with digital cameras.

Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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WARNING: negative feedback ahead. Disclaimer: I'm a pro photographer (as in I get paid for taking photos), and I had a few exhibitions. A few important points, if you want to become a good photographer: 1) My philosophy with most art teachers/book writers is - unless your art makes me say "wow", you can't teach me much. There are many truly great photographers out there. Dan Nguyen is not one of them. I look at his p…

(you're getting an upvote for this; great points)

1) I disagree with your first statement, just because some work that really "wows" me is so beyond my comprehension that it's difficult to learn from it; sometimes, that's a core element of being "wowed": the astonished person doesn't quite know why he's astonished. How can he learn from example?

As far as my photos being boring, not going to contest that. You just have to remember that, at this point, expediency is the main factor. I rigged up a system to pull selected files from my public Flickr account, which consist almost entirely of photos I do in my own time...which means there's a high proportion of wide lenses, as opposed to shots at 200mm...because I don't casually carry around the 200mm.

2) Also no contest...the technical details are trivial to include or exclude (once you've written a script that gathers photos from Flickr and reads the metadata). For now, I find them more useful than writing out as narrative, "For this photo, I used my f2.8 lens wide open"...More can be done with the data design but I want readers to know at a glance what's going on before they read the caption of the photo. I'm hoping this leads to more active reading, because the reader has to ask himself "This photo is shot at f8.0 and yet the background is so blurred, how is that?"

> I was looking at all the cool photos and I really wanted to know the f-stop, the exposure, the ISO that the author used. It took me about a year to figure out it didn't matter. Main reason being - you will never encounter that exact scene with that exact lighting.

I say that exact sentiment: don't worry about the numbers or the math. Maybe I didn't say it strong enough but I'm happy that someone on HN agrees and I'm not just dumbing down the math. I think memorization of numbers is silly.

What I want readers to be able to do is approach each photographic situation with a problem-solving mindset:

"This scene is dark. I want the photo to show my friend's face clearly, how do I balance the three settings and which flaw am I most willing to introduce into my photo to prevent other more critical flaws?"

3 and 4) Yep, no argument. And nowhere do I say, "copy these numbers down"

5) Now the most important point of learning how to photograph well: STOP READING TECHNICAL GARBAGE.

I agree, that's why I wrote this book in the first place. Obviously I haven't done it in the same way that you would but I don't think we disagree at all.

Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The section on metering is just plain wrong, true only for spot metering, which most of the people who read this beginners guide are not going to be using. For the people it actually targets its misleading to talk about which spot the camera is metering on. That section was for people who were using camera phones with on screen touch focusing (the iPhone camera app also adjusts the exposure for the area where focus…

So how about using photos that are well exposed, starting with the opening photo with the blown out sky, and then the dreadful photo of the dogs/family in front of the Hudson. There's one good photo in the whole book, and that was taken with a p&s (s90) - something you claim cannot resolve more than 15' in front if the lens and takes a second to shoot. Both point are of course are completely wrong and misleading. The…

looses any credibility :D

Re: Show HN: The Bastards Book of Photography

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I used to take a lot of macro shots of flowers as I traveled and did a lot of hiking in varying ecosystems. Playing with focal depth and framing was a great pleasure, and my shots were frequently something I was really proud of. Then I had a roommate say in a pseudo off-hand passive aggressive way that she didn't understand nature photography - "I mean, it's not like the photographer made the flower, it was a…

Reminds me of this anecdote. Your camera takes great pictures. Thank you. Your mouth gives great compliments.

"This picture is excellent, you must have a nice camera."

"This dinner is excellent, you must have a nice oven."

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