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Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by RHSeeger »

RHSeeger wrote: post #230
iwishiknewlisp wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Around 10-30% of drivers in the United States don't have car insurance depending on the state. It really depends on the state on how strict they are with car insurance. My state is very lax and they don't even really check at the DMV. The fine for not having car insurance is also only ~300 bucks and a 90 day license suspension and it only goes up slightly until like the 4-5 time you get caught. It just honestly doesn…

> Insurance in general is a whole racket. Its literally only works due to the fact people on average pay more than they receive. "Oh but what if a bad thing happens" way to live your life, disregarding economics and averages. That's literally the _entire_ point of insurance. You pay a little more than the average you're expected to actually need so that, in the event of a catastrophic event, your not on the hook for…

I wanted to add a side note that I don't believe that all insurance types make sense in every situation. For example, I was presented with the option of buying pet insurance recently. I make enough that, for any given problem my pet might have, I can cover the expense. As such, there is no "catastrophic outcome" that would cause me serious financial harm. That, combined with the fact that the code of pet insurance is slightly higher than the expected cost for everything my pet needs, means it doesn't make sense for me to buy pet insurance. As such, I chose not to.

Admittedly, having it since we got her would have wound up saving us money overall, since she's had two CCL surgeries (at ~6-7k a piece). But the decision we made was based on expected cost and averages; so the choice me made was (effectively) a bet that didn't turn out to be the right one. But it generally _would_ be the right one given the facts we had at the time we originally got her.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by akimbostrawman »

try_the_bass wrote: post #352
lolinder wrote: post #313

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Fair enough. After all, as we all know, the only reason to object to massive surveillance nets is if you're a criminal who has something to hide. Since I keep the law all that tracking and monitoring won't affect me.

I mean, you do have to admit that by objecting to "massive surveillance nets", you're actively helping criminals who have things to hide, even if you don't. If you think that's worth it, that's up to you, but you do have to admit that your position helps those with antisocial goals. You'll probably argue that "massive surveillance nets are inherently antisocial", but we both know that's not any more true than saying…

>you do have to admit that by objecting to "massive surveillance nets", you're actively helping criminals who have things to hide

This is such a disengenious gaslighting way of framing critic it would make politicians blush. I hope none of your "positions" could ever be used for anything bad ever or its your fault wether you want or not

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by n0bodyproblm »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #461
harmmonica wrote: post #247

As a somewhat regular user of Waymo, these types of conversations seem like they're going to be more and more in the (sorry!) rearview mirror because we won't own the car nor the cameras that are recording the world as we "drive" around. That's not to say that we should give up fighting for some level of privacy even when we don't own the cars, but seems more likely that legislation would be passed that forces the ve…

> This commentary assumes self-driving cars are here to stay and become the de facto way we drive instead of driving ourselves. This seems like an extremely myopic "tech bubble" take to me. I'm trying to find a way to put this so that it doesn't sound like an attack, but have you been to suburban or rural areas outside of places like SF, NYC or Phoenix? Being reliant on third party transportation, on roads the are of…

Love of driving may be a generational thing as cars were new and cool for them.

Like religion having a license is on the decline:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/05/17/gen-z-les...

Generational social trends are not immutable physics.

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Post by righthand »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #599
righthand wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that applies everywhere in every case? All of this anecdotal evidence has nothing to do with people’s romanticization of the idea that you can isolate yourself pretty well in the remote US.

And you just escalated a drone flying above your house into a full out gun fight with swat teams and what not. It's not like you're going to win that fight.

Right, because the middle of nowhere has a swat team let a lone a violence trained police force. Tell me you’ve never left the city.

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Post by iwishiknewlisp »

RHSeeger wrote: post #600
iwishiknewlisp wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am saying insurance as a concept is stupid and anyone who has insurance is dumb except in few rare cases caused by government tipping the scales of the market. The only thing baffling here us your reading comprehension bud. You missed my entire point. You think I think that? Well, if I was on another website I would say something about you as a person about the type of human being who can't even understand what the…

> I am saying insurance as a concept is stupid and anyone who has insurance is dumb except in few rare cases I disagree with this completely. I have a car. I drive safely. It is unlikely that I will get in an accident and hurt someone. But I pay for insurance because it's _possible_ it will happen anyways. If something goes wrong, I could either - Have the insurance I pay for cover the expense of handling it, or - Ha…

I didn't read this except the last part. But don't be hostile and insulting if you don't want a responze back. In real life if someone ever talked to me the way you do, it wouldn't be words and it wouldn't a fight.

People who insult out of nowhere grew up in the softest environment where you could get away with that. You lived a privileged charmin lifestyle where you could say whatever you wanted and not have any consequences. I wish just for a second i could see you in person.

To paint a clearer picture for you since you love to twist whatever I say, certain people from privileged groups have mastered the art of aggression from a thin vaneer of social acceptability. I deny this aggression. If you show me aggression, I don't care what socially acceptable way you show it. This isn't football, in real life its not a game. Your life is a game, never experienced anything real. Suburban fraud.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by JohnFen »

> The police usually asks for the owner’s permission to access their Tesla’s Sentry Mode backup USB drive which is located in the glove box, and download the desired content. However, if the owners can’t be located, officers obtain search warrants and tow the EVs into evidence.

Why don't the cops get a search warrant for that USB drive and take that rather than confiscating the entire vehicle of innocent people?

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by izacus »

JohnFen wrote: post #606

> The police usually asks for the owner’s permission to access their Tesla’s Sentry Mode backup USB drive which is located in the glove box, and download the desired content. However, if the owners can’t be located, officers obtain search warrants and tow the EVs into evidence. Why don't the cops get a search warrant for that USB drive and take that rather than confiscating the entire vehicle of innocent people?

What's so innocent about people running surveillance cameras and recording every person walking by on the street?

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Post by frogblast »

JohnFen wrote: post #606

> The police usually asks for the owner’s permission to access their Tesla’s Sentry Mode backup USB drive which is located in the glove box, and download the desired content. However, if the owners can’t be located, officers obtain search warrants and tow the EVs into evidence. Why don't the cops get a search warrant for that USB drive and take that rather than confiscating the entire vehicle of innocent people?

Without first hand knowledge, I'll take a guess: if the owner of the vehicle isn't available or cooperating, then getting access to the USB drive requires opening up the vehicle without a key, which could require some time or specialized tools, or cooperation from the manufacturer.

But in general, this isn't really much new. If you have home cameras, and police can obtain a search warrant, then you can be compelled to provide the video, or they can seize any device (such as entire computer, your server closet, etc) that could reasonably contain the video.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by urda »

izacus wrote: post #608
JohnFen wrote: post #606

> The police usually asks for the owner’s permission to access their Tesla’s Sentry Mode backup USB drive which is located in the glove box, and download the desired content. However, if the owners can’t be located, officers obtain search warrants and tow the EVs into evidence. Why don't the cops get a search warrant for that USB drive and take that rather than confiscating the entire vehicle of innocent people?

What's so innocent about people running surveillance cameras and recording every person walking by on the street?

You have no expectation of privacy in public. Your right to seclusion or privacy does not extend to public spaces.
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