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Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by ywvcbk »

sangnoir wrote: post #108
kurthr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't remember the effective social movements and resulting changes in society you describe coming from threats of violence (in the US). Whether it was suffrage or labor rights, the greatest power for violence was always with the status quo and not with those protesting. Often violence has brought about change in perception opposite to its intent. This was true in civil rights, gay rights, antiwar, and labor moveme…

> I don't remember the effective social movements and resulting changes in society you describe coming from threats of violence (in the US) I can think of 2. The end of the reconstruction period (slash-start-of-Jim-Crow) was brought about by violence (and threats of violence). The newly-formed KKK and fellow travellers successfully used lynchings to deter the formerly enslaved from participating in the political proc…

> end of the reconstruction period

To be fair civil rights and relative racial equality was imposed by an (effectively) foreign army of occupation.

That army leaving is what led to Jim Crow, there was hardly any meaningful bottom-top societal change since the local Republican governments could have never survived without significant external support anyway.

KKK/etc. were effectively an unofficial enforcement branch / citizen militia of the local elites and state governments.

IMHO the situation was a bit like the war in Afghanistan (just with a slightly narrower cultural gap). Women rights could only survive as long as the US/NATO force were there to impose them and they reverted to the status quo as soon as the foreign militaries left.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by aguaviva »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #128
aguaviva wrote: post #93

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Can you provide us with any indications that the charity in question (Razom) channelled money towards actual military drones for Ukraine? We see they had a project in 2022 that did provide some drones, but this seems to have been in the context of supporting search and rescue operations and the like, not military operations. Razom maintains that it does not provide military supplies of any kind. Let alone "weapons an…

Huh, they significantly sanitized their website following all the media attention. Now it does say it's all about medical supplies. However, one can't sanitize the entire Internet. Here's a page that mentions that Razom funds drones: https://dobro.ua/member/operator/bf-razom-dlia-ukrayiny/ But in any case, my question stands. Let's say a US citizen donated to a fund that supplied drones to Russia. Said drones do not…

Good catch. It seems the U.S. organization did provide funds for military drones for Ukraine, at least for a certain time after 2016. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. Sounds like a perfectly wholesome thing to do, in fact, given the situation Ukraine has been facing since 2014.

Whether it continued to do so by the time of her donation (in late 2023) -- being as Razom does seem to have shifted its emphasis in recent years (completely independent of any recent "sanitizing" of their website as you allege, but based on my own recollection of their messaging 2022-2023) -- is a different matter.

That's all I have time for at the moment. I may comment further again in 1-2 days.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by ywvcbk »

hollerith wrote: post #104
defrost wrote: post #101

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You seem unfamiliar with the vast bulk of history of the "Four Lions" region (now called the United Kingdom). Just one snippet: The Peterloo Massacre took place at St Peter's Field, Manchester, Lancashire, England, on Monday 16 August 1819. Eighteen people died and 400–700 were injured when cavalry charged into a crowd of around 60,000 people who had gathered to demand the reform of parliamentary representation. As a…

The fact that you're using an incident that resulted in only 18 deaths to prove your point is evidence that, yes, England since the English Civil War has been an unusually peaceful and law-abiding part of the world.

Only if we restrict it to England/Lowland-Scotland specifically and not the occupied territories in Ireland and the Scottish highlands.

But even there it was in large part only the case because the Hanoverian regime was highly effective at suppressing any type of dissent in pretty brutal ways.

> law-abiding part of the world.

The existence of the ‘Bloody Code’ would imply otherwise.

They functioned as a method of class suppression.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by ywvcbk »

hollerith wrote: post #117
defrost wrote: post #116

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This one incident in English political history appears more violent than, say, the US Kent State massacre: The Kent State shootings were the killing of four and wounding of nine unarmed college students by the Ohio National Guard Is it your position that the US state has been more violent toward citizens than the "liberal constitutional monarchy" in the UK, less violent, or about the same. Modern English monarchy his…

My position is that both the UK since the end of the English Civil War (1646) and the US since the end of the American Civil War (1865) have been unusually free of internal political violence. In contrast , the Chinese Civil War (ending in 1949) was bloodier than any conflict in the 20th Century except the 2 world wars, and Rwanda had a little internal conflict in 1994 that resulted in the death of 491,000–800,000 ci…

> both the UK since the end of the English Civil War (1646)

Only if we exclude Ireland and the Scottish Highlands which were both part of the UK.

Being on an island and mostly free from foreign threats (compared to countries continental Europe) helped though. Scandinavia for instance has also been similarly peaceful (if not more so) in the same period.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by snehk »

throw10920 wrote: post #32

It's worth pointing out that similar stuff (although not quite as egregious) is happening in Belarus, Brazil, and even the UK.

Add Germany to that list. A girl was sentenced to actual jail for insulting a rapist who was spared jail. Absolute madness.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by LAC-Tech »

defrost wrote: post #96
bufferoverflow wrote: post #94

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> NPR is very very far left. Nonsense. Not even by US standards and absolutely not by global standards. Overall, we rate NPR (National Public Radio) Left-Center Biased (a slight to moderate liberal bias) based on story selection that leans slightly left and High for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing and accurate news reporting. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/npr/ For comparison: Overall, we rate Ground News…

Where do Americans get this notion that their Overton window is to the right of the rest of the world? To the right of Canada and Western Europe, OK sure, but that's a tiny fraction of planet earth.

Go check our Indian politics, which is more numerically represented of planet earth, and tell me the US is to the right of hindu nationalism.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by Wytwwww »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #79
aguaviva wrote: post #35

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Unfortunately his concerns are all too reasonable. Here's a recent case where Putin's people had a dual Russian-American citizen arrested while visiting her family, and then slapped with a 12-year jail term for the crime of donating $51 to a humanitarian charity (from within the US): https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/08/15/us-russ... While small, the chance of getting caught up in these shenanigans is fa…

"Humanitarian" charity is not exactly a fitting description of the organization she donated to (though I agree that the sentence is out of proportion). To flip this around: imagine that someone was going through US customs and border clearance, and it became known that they donated money towards Russian FPV drones that hit Ukraine. Would you support giving this person a jail term or not? Now imagine that this person…

> Would you support giving this person a jail term or not? Now imagine that this person is a US citizen. Does that change your answer

How is that relevant? You're trying to equate someone's personal opinion to the Russian government putting someone in prison for 12-year due to $51?

And that's far from the most egregious example. There are plenty of people in Russian prisons for much less than that (e.g. reciting poetry or ambiguous social media posts).

Anyway regardless of anyone's personal opinion that's not how sanction enforcement or the US judicial system on the whole works. The U.S. Treasury Department has allowed transactions related to humanitarian causes (and a bunch of other cases) so what are you even talking about?

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by eigenket »

throw10920 wrote: post #82
emmet wrote: post #72

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They always try to be vague when the truth is difficult to defend.

You both are actively lying. I'm not talking about Tyler Kay, I'm talking about Wayne O’Rourke, whose tweets did not advocate for murder at all, let alone “set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards”. Not once did I mention Tyler. That's something you fabricated to deceive and mislead. It's people like you that enable authoritarianism around the world by gaslighting others and justifying suppression of s…

Oh, that guy posted "Today was a terror attack by a Muslim...heads must roll" which again sounds like a call to violence to me.

Sorry I picked the wrong guy calling for racial violence, my mistake.

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by Wytwwww »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #71
feedforward wrote: post #9

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Maybe they'll do a report on the Free Liberty USA passing a law to put Tiktok censoring in their hands.

I wonder if people realize they've been conditioned into nationalists or if the technology facilitating propaganda is so effective that they don't recognize the rewards and punishments to the amplified talking points they encounter online for what they are. How often does anyone say, "I support censoring China to protect big tech interests and out of fear of what they will learn using methods of data collection that…

> How often does anyone say,

Indeed.. how often does anyone say that? Has anyone even said that? Or is that some distorted and dishonest interpretation of something someone might have actually said?

Re: Iranian writer is sentenced to 12 years after tweeting a dot at supreme leader

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Post by defrost »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #136
defrost wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> NPR is very very far left. Nonsense. Not even by US standards and absolutely not by global standards. Overall, we rate NPR (National Public Radio) Left-Center Biased (a slight to moderate liberal bias) based on story selection that leans slightly left and High for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing and accurate news reporting. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/npr/ For comparison: Overall, we rate Ground News…

Where do Americans get this notion that their Overton window is to the right of the rest of the world? To the right of Canada and Western Europe, OK sure, but that's a tiny fraction of planet earth. Go check our Indian politics, which is more numerically represented of planet earth, and tell me the US is to the right of hindu nationalism.

No idea. Perhaps you should ask an American?
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