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Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Spivak wrote: post #19
stackghost wrote: post #4

National Defense runs almost entirely on Windows workstations, including "high-side" or classified networks. I can't imagine the powers that be are too thrilled with this feature, and much like the Intel TPM High Assurance bit, I bet there's an undocumented way to remove it.

The article is a bit of rage-bait. You can already disable it via Group Policy and users can turn it off. They're trying to get clicks because they're trying to make it seems like uninstalling it is some meaningful difference. If you don't trust that the settings on your computer work what in gods name are you using windows for.

I don't trust them not to turn it back on (as happens to all sorts of features after a Windows update), and continue to install garbage I don't need or even wanted. I'm happy on POP_OS! and I'm not going back. Been on POP since January 18th of this year. I gave up on Microsoft when I realized Windows Defender will send over files to Microsoft it thinks are suspicious, and there's 0 audit trail for the files. For all I know it could be just about anything personal or even proprietary company files.

I had other reasons, but that one set me off as the final straw. The other one was not being able to make offline accounts by default from installation, without using hacks.

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by daveguy »

userbinator wrote: post #29
fsckboy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people staying on Win10 and below everything below 10 has been EOL for a good while now, and 10 only has a year left

No one really cares about that "EOL" crap unless they've been brainwashed by the FUD. A lot of very important software[1] still works on Vista or 7, and a large portion of that even on XP and below. Also don't forget that Win10 IoT LTSC is officially supported until 2032. [1] Not things like the latest games, but LOB applications and related software that companies rely on for their work.

It's not FUD when they stop issuing security patches. I am switching to Linux.

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by NavinF »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #21

Literally no one wants this “feature”. Microsoft has lost their collective minds.

I do. In fact I already record my screen and steam it to my NAS for automatic time tracking and OCR search. It'd be nice to have a less a less janky solution.

I'm kinda surprised people just throw away their history. I love being able to restore deleted posts as long as I remember a few words of the content

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by StableAlkyne »

userbinator wrote: post #29
fsckboy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people staying on Win10 and below everything below 10 has been EOL for a good while now, and 10 only has a year left

No one really cares about that "EOL" crap unless they've been brainwashed by the FUD. A lot of very important software[1] still works on Vista or 7, and a large portion of that even on XP and below. Also don't forget that Win10 IoT LTSC is officially supported until 2032. [1] Not things like the latest games, but LOB applications and related software that companies rely on for their work.

No longer receiving security updates on an OS who receives most malware and has a history of vulnerabilities isn't FUD

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by shakna »

Spivak wrote: post #19
stackghost wrote: post #4

National Defense runs almost entirely on Windows workstations, including "high-side" or classified networks. I can't imagine the powers that be are too thrilled with this feature, and much like the Intel TPM High Assurance bit, I bet there's an undocumented way to remove it.

The article is a bit of rage-bait. You can already disable it via Group Policy and users can turn it off. They're trying to get clicks because they're trying to make it seems like uninstalling it is some meaningful difference. If you don't trust that the settings on your computer work what in gods name are you using windows for.

The only officially supported way is disabling via Group Policy - but only for Enterprise systems.

Whilst users can turn it off today, Microsoft's history and lack of straightforward responses, suggests that won't be the case tomorrow.

Besides: Some of the concerns are that it can be utilised by people such as home abusers to track those who might be looking for help to leave that situation. It's a new, very powerful, avenue of control for people stuck there.

Being able to opt-out does not fix that. They've created a new way for people to be harmed.

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by crabmusket »

I had to replace an aeging Windows laptop recently, and MS (and to a lesser extent Apple) going all-in on this kind of AI boondoggle finally gave me the shove I needed to go Linux-only (not dual booting as I'd done in the past, or WSL as I've been doing more recently). Framework made the landing soft, and I'm really excited to never look back. I wish this were a more accessible path for non-tech people.

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by NavinF »

garagemc2 wrote: post #23
ChicagoDave wrote: post #21

Literally no one wants this “feature”. Microsoft has lost their collective minds.

No. But people do want large action models and for that you need a training dataset, which is what Recall will provide.

That model would have to be trained locally since the data never leaves the device

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by dartharva »

The Enterprise/IoT LTSC versions of Windows 10 with extended support up to 2032 are available with commercial Visual Studio licenses iirc.

If you can't somehow get hold of an ISO from your office's IT admin you can always sail the high seas :)

You can evaluate it here: https://info.microsoft.com/ww-landing-windows-10-enterprise....

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by crabmusket »

kubb wrote: post #22

Is this the enshittification everyone keeps talking about?

If you squint? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

> Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two-sided market", where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.

Windows doesn't quite fit that definition in the way that the term is usually applied to marketplace platforms like Facebook and Amazon.

This is a misfeature but it doesn't feel like it's directly part of the intervention in the buyer-seller relationships Windows is mediating.

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