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A liberal prohibition on violent speech is an aspirational privilege of a people who have solved all their social problems to such a degree that the credible threat of violence is never necessary for justice or progress. Or an aspirational privilege of an aristocracy who have solved all of their material problems at the expense of everybody else, and demand militant proactive protection of their hoard and their perso…

>In our history, the credible threat of social violence has been absolutely necessary for justice & progress Even in very similar Anglosphere cultures like Britain, a liberal constitutional monarchy, all of that had been achieved, even earlier in many cases, without the overt glorification of violence as a normal part of the political process. In fact liberal monarchies, even before they were democratic had done a pr…

You seem unfamiliar with the vast bulk of history of the "Four Lions" region (now called the United Kingdom).

Just one snippet:

    The Peterloo Massacre took place at St Peter's Field, Manchester, Lancashire, England, on Monday 16 August 1819. Eighteen people died and 400–700 were injured when cavalry charged into a crowd of around 60,000 people who had gathered to demand the reform of parliamentary representation.
As a peer comment points out there were many civil and uncivil wars.

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Buried under the rest of the article is this, since some people only do headlines I'll copy it here for visibility: >Shanbehzadeh was sentenced to five years for alleged pro-Israel propaganda activity, four years for insulting Islamic sanctities, two years for spreading lies online and an additional year for anti-regime propaganda. >His lawyer, Amir Raisian, told Shargh Network, a reformist newspaper in Iran, that he…

I sometimes asked people on HN, what news sites they consider to be of decent quality. And npr.org was recommended several times. Seeing this cheap manipulative article suggests they were mistaken. PS. Maybe his 12 years sentence is completely unjust, I don't know. But titles like this... How about "A man is sentenced to death after having cofee for breakfast" for an article about Charles Manson? (I suppose he had co…

Speaking out against a repressive regime is always okay, the problem is it’s a violent repressive regime who will throw you in prison for criticizing it. So his 12 years sentence is completely unjust like nearly all of Iran’s tossing people in prison for simply expressing free thought. He was not trying to inspire violence.

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I sometimes asked people on HN, what news sites they consider to be of decent quality. And npr.org was recommended several times. Seeing this cheap manipulative article suggests they were mistaken. PS. Maybe his 12 years sentence is completely unjust, I don't know. But titles like this... How about "A man is sentenced to death after having cofee for breakfast" for an article about Charles Manson? (I suppose he had co…

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NPR is not “very very far left”. It is left leaning, but their articles are notbased on pure opinion and conjecture like much of what I see in the right leaning news like Fox, and flat out lies in OAN/Newsmax/Breitbart/Twitter

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>In our history, the credible threat of social violence has been absolutely necessary for justice & progress Even in very similar Anglosphere cultures like Britain, a liberal constitutional monarchy, all of that had been achieved, even earlier in many cases, without the overt glorification of violence as a normal part of the political process. In fact liberal monarchies, even before they were democratic had done a pr…

You seem unfamiliar with the vast bulk of history of the "Four Lions" region (now called the United Kingdom). Just one snippet: The Peterloo Massacre took place at St Peter's Field, Manchester, Lancashire, England, on Monday 16 August 1819. Eighteen people died and 400–700 were injured when cavalry charged into a crowd of around 60,000 people who had gathered to demand the reform of parliamentary representation. As a…

The fact that you're using an incident that resulted in only 18 deaths to prove your point is evidence that, yes, England since the English Civil War has been an unusually peaceful and law-abiding part of the world.

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NPR is not “very very far left”. It is left leaning, but their articles are notbased on pure opinion and conjecture like much of what I see in the right leaning news like Fox, and flat out lies in OAN/Newsmax/Breitbart/Twitter

Show me 3 stories from NPR in the last month (among hundreds they've reported in that time frame) with a right-wing flavor. You know, things like articles against abortion, critical of Kamala, supporting mass-deportation of illegal immigrants, etc.

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A liberal prohibition on violent speech is an aspirational privilege of a people who have solved all their social problems to such a degree that the credible threat of violence is never necessary for justice or progress. Or an aspirational privilege of an aristocracy who have solved all of their material problems at the expense of everybody else, and demand militant proactive protection of their hoard and their perso…

>In our history, the credible threat of social violence has been absolutely necessary for justice & progress Even in very similar Anglosphere cultures like Britain, a liberal constitutional monarchy, all of that had been achieved, even earlier in many cases, without the overt glorification of violence as a normal part of the political process. In fact liberal monarchies, even before they were democratic had done a pr…

No. It hasn't. Liberals are just motivated to be forgetful and not to teach this part of history very well.

As far as I can tell, people in the UK have the right to vote because of, variously:

The Parliament setting the King straight on who would win in a fight

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Charles_I

The Parliament gradually setting the King straight on whose support he needs to enact foreign policy, and the King's failures strengthening opposition in Parliament over the course of

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_First_Coalition

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_III

An apocalyptic and thereafter omnipresent fear of the aristocracy losing their heads after the French Revolution, leading to cycles of tyrannical repression of the working class alternating with massive working class actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Acts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

Violence from radical working & middle class suffragists following this period

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_May

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Act_1832

The threat of violence from radical working class suffragists, tinged with the prospect of religious and Irish revolutionary violence

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_League#Hyde_Park_demons...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_League#English_Civil_Wa...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Act_1867

Numerous peaceful and less peaceful actions over many years by women's suffragists, including a protracted terrorist bombing campaign

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_Unit...

You could go on, but I'm no expert on UK history. Social change in UK democracy seems to mostly demand angry disenfranchised masses, a very few sympathetic ears in the House of Lords, and a larger body of Parliament & middle class people who want to strike some kind of nonviolent compromise and maintain order even if giving up some power offends.

The US is very similar in that this is the stuff we don't like to talk about. The fact that our military fought a brief, bloody war or two against mining unions before any labor rights were recognized was a single decontextualized paragraph in my history textbook at age 15, and was never mentioned again.

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NPR is not “very very far left”. It is left leaning, but their articles are notbased on pure opinion and conjecture like much of what I see in the right leaning news like Fox, and flat out lies in OAN/Newsmax/Breitbart/Twitter

Show me 3 stories from NPR in the last month (among hundreds they've reported in that time frame) with a right-wing flavor. You know, things like articles against abortion, critical of Kamala, supporting mass-deportation of illegal immigrants, etc.

I never claimed they had right leaning stories, they have many neutral articles which you are more than welcome to check out on your on time, but not on mine.

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A liberal prohibition on violent speech is an aspirational privilege of a people who have solved all their social problems to such a degree that the credible threat of violence is never necessary for justice or progress. Or an aspirational privilege of an aristocracy who have solved all of their material problems at the expense of everybody else, and demand militant proactive protection of their hoard and their perso…

I don't remember the effective social movements and resulting changes in society you describe coming from threats of violence (in the US). Whether it was suffrage or labor rights, the greatest power for violence was always with the status quo and not with those protesting. Often violence has brought about change in perception opposite to its intent. This was true in civil rights, gay rights, antiwar, and labor moveme…

> I don't remember the effective social movements and resulting changes in society you describe coming from threats of violence (in the US)

I can think of 2.

The end of the reconstruction period (slash-start-of-Jim-Crow) was brought about by violence (and threats of violence). The newly-formed KKK and fellow travellers successfully used lynchings to deter the formerly enslaved from participating in the political process (as candidates and voters), which was the status quo.

The Stonewall riots were were a another one - I'm certain there are more examples in between those 2.

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Show me 3 stories from NPR in the last month (among hundreds they've reported in that time frame) with a right-wing flavor. You know, things like articles against abortion, critical of Kamala, supporting mass-deportation of illegal immigrants, etc.

I never claimed they had right leaning stories, they have many neutral articles which you are more than welcome to check out on your on time, but not on mine.

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> NPR is very very far left. Nonsense. Not even by US standards and absolutely not by global standards. Overall, we rate NPR (National Public Radio) Left-Center Biased (a slight to moderate liberal bias) based on story selection that leans slightly left and High for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing and accurate news reporting. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/npr/ For comparison: Overall, we rate Ground News…

Nonsense? Show me 3 stories from NPR in the last month (among hundreds they've reported in that time frame) with a right-wing flavor. You know, things like articles against abortion, critical of Kamala, supporting mass-deportation of illegal immigrants, etc.

They're left of the US centre (not global, US).

Not "far left", not "very far left", and not "very, very far left".

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