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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by snaky » Thu, Jun 21, 2012, 10:14 AM UTC

rome wrote: post #53

sjwright wrote: post #43

When Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he made it really clear that Apple's job wasn't to beat Microsoft. Apple then delivered on that assessment and created entirely new markets for themselves. Sadly, somehow, Microsoft went all XOR on our asses. I'm still baffled about how Microsoft is still trying to out-Apple Apple when they've repeatedly proven it's a disastrous strategy (see: Zune). Microsoft are kings of productiv…

Windows 8 has native Active Directory support for device and user management. That along with ActiveSync and I think the phones and tablets are for the enterprise.

ActiveSync, huh? After completely broke direct sync with desktop Outlook in WP?

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by huggyface » Thu, Jun 21, 2012, 11:45 AM UTC

wavephorm wrote: post #183

huggyface wrote: post #180

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You clearly exist within an Apple fan bubble. Your opinion has zero correlation with reality and you didn't even understand the point I was making. Rather I would say that you couldn't understand it.

Excuse me, but "reality" is the world around you. My "opinion" is based on my own experiences, and my own observations of the people I know -- because that's what reality is. Reality is not simply what "people say" on internet tech websites and android discussion forums.

Sure. People want a smartphone that can post on facebook, take pictures, send and receive emails, etc. They also want to play games, maybe use Netflix, etc.

They choose a phone based upon that. Hundreds of millions of people, when given that choice, choose an Android device for a wide variety of reasons. You don't get that, I understand, because you live in a bubble and have no engagement with the real world.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by illumin8 » Thu, Jun 21, 2012, 12:40 PM UTC

josteink wrote: post #147

illumin8 wrote: post #127

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So you get a new UI; who cares? What is truly important is application compatibility, and someone with a 3 year old iPhone 3GS will still be able to run brand new apps made for iOS 6.0. On the other hand, someone in a store buying a Nokia Lumia phone today might not be able to run apps released 3 months from now. Don't you see the problem?

and someone with a 3 year old iPhone 3GS will still be able to run brand new apps made for iOS 6.0. At half the speed or less compared to when the phone was bought, be driven insane and then be forced to buy a new phone. Or at least that is how I experienced iOS updates while I was still in the iPhone camp.

Let me guess, you probably had an original iPhone and suffered when iOS 3.0 came out and performance was terrible, right? Did you know that a subsequent release (3.01 I think) fixed this issue and performance was fine again?

The one thing that I will acknowledge is that newer devices with more memory and more CPU power tend to go to app developers heads and they start to write apps that run beautifully on new iOS hardware, but slowly on old hardware. That is hardly an Apple problem - you'd be hard pressed to find a 3 year old PC that can run the latest high end games as well as a brand new one.

I personally find it amazing that my original iPad purchased 2 years and 3 months ago will still run the latest software just fine. My wife's iPhone 4 purchased 2 years ago also works just fine, and she didn't want to ugprade to the 4S because everything still "just works" for her.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Post by SigmundA » Thu, Jun 21, 2012, 4:45 PM UTC

barista wrote: post #178

SigmundA wrote: post #169

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And yet the Xbox still hasn't recouped it's losses total. A few profitable quarters does not make up for years of losses. Here are some charts for you to make it painfully clear which divisions are profitable and keep MS running: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-microsoft-lo... http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-microsoft-pr...

You are assuming that the brand are business are done. At the end of all the investment Microsoft has a great consumer brand name and a beachhead in living room. What is that worth to you? To call it a loss, what makes you assume that the business will at best run at break-even and won't make any profits, or Microsoft won't be able to leverage the existing xbox brand to sell additional Services/products?

I am not assuming anything, I simply presented some facts.

My opinion is MS has squandered both the smart phone market lead they had nearly 10 years ago and the TV space as the XBox would have been an obvious Apple TV/ Google TV type platform.

Whether MS can dig themselves out of the hole remains to be seen, at this point I have little faith, but as along time MS proponent now converted to Apple, I would still like to see them succeed, but I do think that will require a leadership change.