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Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by xenospn »

anon291 wrote: post #9
marcinzm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't seem to stop Twitter in India and Turkey.

Why not just be glad they're taking a stand now? I'm so confused. Edit: also looking at the history here... They fought those bans too. I'm guessing, due to Indias importance to the IT industry, twitter was unable to pull out entirely, leaving their employees vulnerable if they didn't comply. Not sure about turkey, but it looks like in this case, they are able to avoid censorship by pulling out entirely. Brazil is an…

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Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by BadHumans »

I'm not sure I agree with Brazil wanting to compel platforms to ban accounts and I don't agree with fining people who try to access the service and if Elon is to be believed, I really don't agree with threatening Twitter's legal rep with prison. Elon is also a hypocrite having done the exact thing Brazil is asking for with India and Turkey in the past and he clearly has no problem inventing reasons to ban people who he doesn't like. ElonJet, accounts that campaign for Harris, journalist, etc. Everyone in this situation sucks.

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Post by hwhwhwhhwhwh »

rbanffy wrote: post #2

Twitter is not a fundamental right, as access to users isn't a right to a company. If the company wants the product to be available, then it should respect local laws the same way it did in Turkey and India.

Turkey and India is probably not the best examples humanity want to try to emulate when it comes to human rights. And this is coming from someone born and raised in India.

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Post by marcinzm »

brightball wrote: post #29
marcinzm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't seem to stop Twitter in India and Turkey.

The issue in Brazil, based on what I read, was that Twitter’s lawyers in Brazil and Elon believed that the requests being made violate Brazil’s constitution. In Turkey and India, there was no such concern.

That's for the nations courts to decide and not Elon. It's just an excuse to support authoritarian governments that have no checks and balances in their constitutions at all.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by bestouff »

MBCook wrote: post #20

And Madtodon! Here’s a post from Eugen Rochko on August 31st (2 days ago): “Aug 10, 10 sign-ups from #Brazil. Aug 28, 152 sign-ups from Brazil. Today, 4.2k sign-ups from Brazil. Portuguese (Brazil) has already entered the list of top 8 active languages for the last 30 days.” https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/113059113589150365

Apparently that's around 1000 times less accounts than for Bluesky alone.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by KerrAvon »

gruez wrote: post #8
rbanffy wrote: post #2

Twitter is not a fundamental right, as access to users isn't a right to a company. If the company wants the product to be available, then it should respect local laws the same way it did in Turkey and India.

>Twitter is not a fundamental right, as access to users isn't a right to a company. What about the rights of people who want to use twitter? Would you use the same characterization for Chinese censorship (ie. "The New York Times is not an fundamental right, as access to users isn't a right to [The New York Times Company]")?

You don't have the right to patronize a restaurant that gets shut down for health code violations after it's shut down. There's no difference in principle here. Banning Twitter itself for failing to comply with the law isn't a free speech issue.

Now, part of the order makes it illegal to use VPN to access Twitter, which is an actual free speech issue, if you'd care to argue on those grounds.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by kolanos »

kranke155 wrote: post #3

Apparently Brazil only asked for Twitter/X to have a local office (so they could be dealt with inside Brazilian law) and ban like 7 accounts.

Apparently Twitter/X did have such a representative and this judge froze her bank accounts and threatened to imprison her.

> “When we attempted to defend ourselves in court, Judge de Moraes threatened our Brazilian legal representative with imprisonment. Even after she resigned, he froze all of her bank accounts,” the post from X Global Government Affairs notes.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by kaba0 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #15
rbanffy wrote: post #2

Twitter is not a fundamental right, as access to users isn't a right to a company. If the company wants the product to be available, then it should respect local laws the same way it did in Turkey and India.

Being able to read stuff written by other people is pretty close to a basic human right, though. At least in the liberal Western tradition.

That’s why regulation should apply to services like that, the same way a private company should not be able to block a highway that is critical to the functioning of a country.

Twitter since elon’s criminal “leadership” has become a bot-infested cesspool of racist bullshit, where he unilaterally censors whatever he dislikes in his sissy fits. In this form, this is a manipulation device, and good riddance.

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Post by TechDebtDevin »

welshwelsh wrote: post #7
kranke155 wrote: post #3

Apparently Brazil only asked for Twitter/X to have a local office (so they could be dealt with inside Brazilian law) and ban like 7 accounts.

I'm glad they didn't comply. I don't want social media platforms banning people just because some national government told them to.

Well X/Elon is more than happy to comply with censorship and records requests from Western/NATO countries.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by rsrsrs86 »

atwrk wrote: post #30
ceejayoz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Note that Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal... Unless it's @ElonJet tweeting. Or journalists tweeting about @ElonJet.

Or you mention gender using "cis": https://imgur.com/gallery/state-of-xitter-2024-kYonTt4 Making this a about about free speech is astounding in multiple ways. First, are people not aware that Brazil is a different sovereign nation, where the US idea of free speech may not apply? And a country with a military dictatorship not many years ago, with laws specifically in place to prevent another coup, which Twitter chose…

The us idea of free speech doesn’t apply even in the us.
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