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Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by BadHumans »

anon291 wrote: post #9
marcinzm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't seem to stop Twitter in India and Turkey.

Why not just be glad they're taking a stand now? I'm so confused. Edit: also looking at the history here... They fought those bans too. I'm guessing, due to Indias importance to the IT industry, twitter was unable to pull out entirely, leaving their employees vulnerable if they didn't comply. Not sure about turkey, but it looks like in this case, they are able to avoid censorship by pulling out entirely. Brazil is an…

If you are only willing to stand on your principles when it is inconsequential then that is just virtue signaling.

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Post by prepend »

welshwelsh wrote: post #7
kranke155 wrote: post #3

Apparently Brazil only asked for Twitter/X to have a local office (so they could be dealt with inside Brazilian law) and ban like 7 accounts.

I'm glad they didn't comply. I don't want social media platforms banning people just because some national government told them to.

I also don’t want companies to have to have offices in every country where they operate.

X is big enough but it’s silly of Brazil to require a literal physical presence. They can serve whatever they need electronically to wherever X is these days.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by gruez »

breadwinner wrote: post #10

Note that Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal, including fake news, see links below. I find it disturbing. The world will be better off without X. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/elon-musk-kam... https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-grok-ai-fake-elect...

>Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal, including fake news, see links below. I find it disturbing.

I find your proposal of banning speech that is "fake news" equally disturbing. Trump was very happy to slap the "fake news" label when he was in power. What he also had the ability to shut down speech on the same basis?

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Post by ein0p »

breadwinner wrote: post #10

Note that Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal, including fake news, see links below. I find it disturbing. The world will be better off without X. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/elon-musk-kam... https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-grok-ai-fake-elect...

Mainstream media outlets often publish fake news or don’t publish legitimate news that do not support their agenda. I don’t see anyone hyperventilating about that. Would we be better off without them, too? I happen to think that we would.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by ceejayoz »

anon291 wrote: post #9
marcinzm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't seem to stop Twitter in India and Turkey.

Why not just be glad they're taking a stand now? I'm so confused. Edit: also looking at the history here... They fought those bans too. I'm guessing, due to Indias importance to the IT industry, twitter was unable to pull out entirely, leaving their employees vulnerable if they didn't comply. Not sure about turkey, but it looks like in this case, they are able to avoid censorship by pulling out entirely. Brazil is an…

> Edit: also looking at the history here... They fought those bans too.

Pre-Musk.

July 2022: https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/05/twitter-sues-india-governm...

October 2022: Musk buys Twitter.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by mensetmanusman »

prepend wrote: post #19
mensetmanusman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Access to the NYT in China or X in Brazil could destabilize their societies. One could argue that their current development status necessitates authoritarianism until a transitional event happens (which took the west many centuries).

Free speech destabilizes society. It’s a suitable price to pay, I think. The goal is absolute harmony. Especially at the expense of rights.

If western history is the route, many millions die on the road to free speech. Maybe fewer die if it’s more gradual in the transition?

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by surgical_fire »

anon291 wrote: post #12
rbanffy wrote: post #2

Twitter is not a fundamental right, as access to users isn't a right to a company. If the company wants the product to be available, then it should respect local laws the same way it did in Turkey and India.

Elon musk who is the owner of Twitter -- an individual -- actually has a fundamental right to speak to Brazilians via his service. Companies absolutely have rights especially when they're owned by an individual. Banding together in groups does not eliminate human rights.

Elon Musk is not a Brazilian citizen, nor he his a resident of Brazil, not holds any permission to stay in the country as of now.

He has, in fact, zero rights to communicate in Brazil.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by brightball »

marcinzm wrote: post #6
koolba wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> … and ban like 7 accounts I’m sure that number will never increase.

Didn't seem to stop Twitter in India and Turkey.

The issue in Brazil, based on what I read, was that Twitter’s lawyers in Brazil and Elon believed that the requests being made violate Brazil’s constitution.

In Turkey and India, there was no such concern.

Re: Brazil Court votes unanimously to uphold X ban. Users switch to Threads, Bluesky

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Post by atwrk »

ceejayoz wrote: post #11
breadwinner wrote: post #10

Note that Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal, including fake news, see links below. I find it disturbing. The world will be better off without X. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/elon-musk-kam... https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-grok-ai-fake-elect...

> Note that Elon Musk's definition of free speech includes anything that is not outright illegal... Unless it's @ElonJet tweeting. Or journalists tweeting about @ElonJet.

Or you mention gender using "cis": https://imgur.com/gallery/state-of-xitter-2024-kYonTt4

Making this a about about free speech is astounding in multiple ways. First, are people not aware that Brazil is a different sovereign nation, where the US idea of free speech may not apply? And a country with a military dictatorship not many years ago, with laws specifically in place to prevent another coup, which Twitter chose to ignore here?

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