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Brazilian court orders suspension of X
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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's see what happens when Google refuses to comply! Not gonna happen. But it should, if this is the order!
Why do you want Google of all companies to stand above the sovereign state, which is a representative democracy? The ruling is incredibly dumb for sure (at least the removing apps from devices part), but if the sovereign state demands it, they'll either have to exit the market/nation entirely or comply.
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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X
#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How come I I'm now banned from reading what Zelensky, Kasparov, Yann LeCun, and thousands of others world leaders have to say? > How come my neighbor, who makes a honest living through X-Twitter, has now lost her job? Because the other party did violate the law. Unfortunately, Twitter got taken over by an international ideologue who likes to pick fights, and you and your neighbor are suffering the consequences of t…
> Twitter got taken over by an international ideologue Twitter was bought from ideologues by someone who opened it up to other ideologies. While this may have increased the absolute ideological load on the platform it actually decreased the effective ideological charge since opposite sides cancel out each other, pulling the balance towards the centre where it used to tilt heavily towards a single side.
> the effective ideological charge since opposite sides cancel out each other
I honestly, wholeheartedly wish that was true.
In reality, however, the ideology of whoever holds more economic power has orders of magnitude more weight than the one of the powerless masses.
Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X
#384Citing that it might be cumbersome for App Stores to implement the order then revert it, de Moraes reverted the order for Google and Apple to ban VPNs from Stores. I bet it won't stop there. He won't be satisfied until he blocks Tor too, which X / Twitter could plausibly setup as an Onion service. This is all because the National Assembly that promulgated the 1988 Brazilian Constitution chose to specifically ban anon…
X already has an onion service I believe, check the x.com meta tags for "onion-location".
X Onion Service Seems to be Located at https://twitter3e4tixl4xyajtrzo62zg5vztmjuricljdp2c5kshju4av... in case anyone cares.
I certainly don't!
Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X
#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can't and won't delete any apps from your phone, but the apps would be gone from the stores, which does not make it much less of a bullshit. Restricting access to X makes sense: the platform has removed themselves from the country, making it impossible to resolve legal and financial disputes in Brazil, so it makes sense they are not allowed to operate in the country anymore. Then again, punishing users that acce…
Even if the goal of the brazilian judge makes sense, that doesn't make the judge's actions legal. In a country of laws, the end does not justify the means. A thorough explanation of the applicable law, point by point, that demonstrates that everything that is happening here is outrageous : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382
The actions are legal, in the sense they have been approved by the Supreme Court. We can argue about the morality of the Supreme Court deciding on the legality of their own actions, but in practice, they are, by all means, legal.
BBC has a decent article that estabilishes a critique of the same points you mentioned in your post: https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/articles/c4n3wklk255o some of your complaints are quite fair, some don't.
In particular: "The Brazilian constitution specifies that the Supreme Court can only judge those with “privileged jurisdiction" isn't true at all. The Brazilian Constitution states a whole bunch of attributions to the Supreme Court, which you can read (in Portuguese) at:
https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/constituicao/constitui... (search for "DO SUPREMO TRIBUNAL FEDERAL")
The role you mention, about ruling over "privileged jurisdiction" is one of 20+ attributed roles, a small fraction of their attributions.
Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X
#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can't and won't delete any apps from your phone, but the apps would be gone from the stores, which does not make it much less of a bullshit. Restricting access to X makes sense: the platform has removed themselves from the country, making it impossible to resolve legal and financial disputes in Brazil, so it makes sense they are not allowed to operate in the country anymore. Then again, punishing users that acce…
No, it doesn't make sense. The reason they had to pull out of the country is that representatives of X were about to be thrown in jail for an American business not honoring censorship edicts written by this judge. Why not Meta or Google? Because they've honored the censorship orders. When he couldn't find representatives of X, he went after SpaceX and StarLink, even though no law allows him to do so. The judge is sim…
I was also baffled by them going after Starlink when it happened. Just like you, I found it absurd to go over a different company just because some person owns stakes on both of them.
Then, Starlink refused to block Twitter, and with that they kind of proved the Supreme Court's point that they operate under the same economic organization and are subject to the same leadership.
I guess they stepped into their own trap there.
Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X
#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
This, except it's right-wing totalitarianism at work, seeking to silence the left wing (Lula et al), which appears to have won the election. Indeed, before the election and subsequent fallout, the right-wing elmu was friendly towards the right-wing Bolsonaro, who these orders support.
No. The judge is attempting to silence anyone speaking out against the new leftist government. Meta and Google silently complied. X did not.
Not to being too much politics into the discussion, but Mr. Morais is hardly a leftist. In fact, he's been put there by the very president that removed Mrs. Dilma Rouseff, Michel Temer, who is quite obviously on the right side of the spectrum.
Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X
#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
VPNs are not illegal in China. About a third of people in China use VPNs and the govt is fine with VPNs unless you're using it to break the law.
You’re right, technically VPN is not illegal, as long as the operators abide laws. It is using VPN to get across GFW that is illegal: https://m.sohu.com/a/738815891_800907/?pvid=000115_3w_a#:~:t... So, yeah, it is practically illegal to use VPN in China.
Let me guess, you've never been to China.