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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by dang » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 1:50 AM UTC

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #355

riverrunn01 wrote: post #223

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Nope Im Brazilian. And all of this started way before. These orders were not imbalanced -- the blocking of X accounts -- (Ok VPN now is). Musk after several court decisions decided to not comply, even after all involved received due process. It's not, in the slightest, censorship at all. What really happened was violation of ellection rules on daily basis, specially on X but many other social also were fined. META, T…

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> Stop being dishonest about the situation. You know full well [...]

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by martin82 » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 1:51 AM UTC

slimsag wrote: post #339

hypnotist wrote: post #334

I am surprised no one mentioned nostr. https://nostr.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr supposedly more distributed and censorship resistant than bsky. https://thenewstack.io/bluesky-vs-nostr-which-should-develop...

Nostr is a protocol. Bluesky is a product.

That's why Nostr is far better.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by martin82 » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 1:52 AM UTC

bentcorner wrote: post #640

hypnotist wrote: post #334

I am surprised no one mentioned nostr. https://nostr.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr supposedly more distributed and censorship resistant than bsky. https://thenewstack.io/bluesky-vs-nostr-which-should-develop...

I tried it and was shortly spammed with crypto-bro messages. Interesting tech but a bad product.

Nostr is not a product.

I use it daily and I very very rarely see spam messages.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by martin82 » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 1:54 AM UTC

Beazil will ban Bluesky, too, or worse, Bluesky will comply with Brazil's censorship.

Nostr is the actual solution for this dilemma and our best bet to preserve free speech right now.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by janalsncm » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 2:15 AM UTC

kshri24 wrote: post #578

janalsncm wrote: post #533

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If you don’t have anything intelligent to say, yes, nothing is usually best. > accept the diktats of authority Is this not what Musk is doing in China? Does he not believe the Chinese have a right to free speech? If he actually cared, he would speak out about it. The fact that he’s choosing Chinese money over human rights, you might say that hurts the West.

> Is this not what Musk is doing in China? Does he not believe the Chinese have a right to free speech? If he actually cared, he would speak out about it. The fact that he’s choosing Chinese money over human rights, you might say that hurts the West. China has a unilateral ban on all non-Chinese apps. Not just Twitter/X. They have the Great Firewall for a reason. Now for Musk to accept "diktats of authority", X shoul…

Free speech is a human right. Either Musk believes Chinese should enjoy free speech or he doesn’t. The fact that he seems to be more vocal about his business interests (Brazil) than actual human rights tells me he puts his mouth where his money is, not the other way around.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by threeseed » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 2:37 AM UTC

crossroadsguy wrote: post #796

rvz wrote: post #2

Several folks in Brazil had much to choose from out of Threads, Mastodon and Bluesky as alternatives to Twitter / X. Now that X got banned in Brazil and to potentially lose over 100M+ users we are starting to see which platforms they are choosing to sign up to. So far, Bluesky is seeing a surge in user registrations after the invite system was lifted a year ago. I would expect Threads to also see a surge in registrat…

Mastadon is the green ribbon worn by 13 people out of 57 people attending a conference out of 230 million people in that country who were there to condemn, in strong terms, the privatisation of the national health service. Thread doesn’t stand a chance. I don’t have an Instagram account. So I am not going to create one for Threads. Nope. I know friends and colleagues who detest even the idea of this connection even t…

> Thread doesn’t stand a chance

Twitter/X has 368m MAU. Threads has 200m.

Based on trajectories Threads will be the biggest text-first social network in less than a year.

It's amazing how out of touch people on here about what is popular or not.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by antonvs » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 2:47 AM UTC

jack_pp wrote: post #548

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #389

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> What is this topic that's only in vogue in tech circles? Wokeism? Wokeism as it pertains to social media's discussion of the woke mind virus. Everyone has an opinion on it. But it's not of practical relevance to most people, certainly not most voters. Sort of like modern art.

Considering a ton of podcasts talk about it and they're not in the tech bubble I'd say it's a pretty important topic especially in the US.

It’s not an important topic, any more than any other moral panic.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by Daishiman » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 2:51 AM UTC

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #775

throwadobe wrote: post #729

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Here are HN’s guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Your comment isn’t kind, and is calling me names. I am not sure why you cannot just calmly speak to the issue instead of saying that I am buying into “bot-fed rhetoric” or spreading misinformation. The guidelines explicitly say to assume good faith. > Moraes has the power to decide on this matter and the court will review his decision collecti…

You're skipping the part where the people they were asking to ban were calling for a coup against the democratically elected government, which is not legal in Brazil. Your argument is a strawman.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by kshri24 » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 2:58 AM UTC

janalsncm wrote: post #805

kshri24 wrote: post #578

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> Is this not what Musk is doing in China? Does he not believe the Chinese have a right to free speech? If he actually cared, he would speak out about it. The fact that he’s choosing Chinese money over human rights, you might say that hurts the West. China has a unilateral ban on all non-Chinese apps. Not just Twitter/X. They have the Great Firewall for a reason. Now for Musk to accept "diktats of authority", X shoul…

Free speech is a human right. Either Musk believes Chinese should enjoy free speech or he doesn’t. The fact that he seems to be more vocal about his business interests (Brazil) than actual human rights tells me he puts his mouth where his money is, not the other way around.

He has always said he believes everyone (which includes the Chinese too) should enjoy Free Speech (calling himself an absolutist) while at the same time saying that he will abide by Laws of the country. If the Chinese people want Free Speech it is for the Chinese people to revolt against the CCP. It is not Elon's decision as he is not operating X there. In the case of Brazil, the Judge wants X to break Brazilian laws, which X is not going to comply with. Simple as that. Free Speech became an issue only when the Judge banned X. It became an issue because Brazil has Free Speech Laws (or at least had in effect and not just on paper like China). If Brazil wants to go the CCP route then nothing can stop that from happening. Neither Elon, you or me.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by stale2002 » Mon, Sep 02, 2024, 3:15 AM UTC

meiraleal wrote: post #741

stale2002 wrote: post #681

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> A media company Text from the 1st amendment: "or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press" You see that part that says "The press"? Thats what a media company is. Yes, if the government punishes "The press" for its speech, and threatens it with legal action, that is by definition something that effects free speech and is censorship. Definitionally, I cannot think of something that could be more accurately b…

> Yes, if the government punishes "The press" for its speech That wasn't the case, the case was "the press" covering criminals. Being the press don't give a company free pass to commit crimes and Xitter is paying for that. PS: "1st amendment" is an American term that doesn't mean anything outside of american jurisdiction (and maybe not even inside, see Tiktok).

> That wasn't the case, the case was "the press" covering criminals.

If the government makes it illegal to publish certain things, that would mean that it is both a crime and censorship. So yes, that would be the case and my previous statement applies.

The government making it illegal for the press to publish certain things is definitionally what censorship is. There is literally no more clear example of what censorship is than that.