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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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I think banning any network that allows citizens to air their views, whatever they may be, is very dangerous. Free speech that is free of control is essential. I also think that anyone, especially someone prone to childish tantrums like Musk, having unquestionable control of a major network on which citizens can air their views, is also very dangerous. Free speech that is free of control is essential.

This is one angle. But X is more a mouth piece for its ketamine soaked owner who has some pretty nasty views.

Plenty of places to share your view. At least, anyone can create a webpage.

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Huh? I said: "Quoting from X post below" and I literally quoted the X post. WTF are you talking about?

My mistake, I thought I saw the quote only on the first paragraph. Tangentially, this is why using > is generally better for long quoting sections.

Gotcha! I do typically use > but that is for quoting parent comment. But when quoting an article I put it within double quotes “ ”.

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I really effing hate the idea that competition is created not because people with entrepreneurial spirit think they can do what SpaceX does cheaper and better, but because the guy running the show is politically undesirable and untrustworthy.

But that's not the issue: the issue is that Musk alienated almost the entire core demographic who wanted to buy Tesla's, wanted to support electric cars and were more or less completely primed to freely promote the entire brand. He is a man who owns an electric car company but has been pushing climate change denialism as his political position and supporting politicians who do. There's competition because Tesla is no…

I missed out on his climate change denialism - if true that seem strange from the head of one of the most successful EV companies and arguably the company that finally got the EV revolution started since all the others were dragging their feet. He further sells solar roofs and off grid power.

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Yes and appeal to whom? Himself, who’s clearly shown himself to be a partisan? Why even need an executive when your judiciary can basically unilaterally function as executive be a legislator in one? Obviously they’re is not the US, but that’s not an excuse to a ridiculous system.

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> Stop talking about stuff you don't understand.

I’ve mentioned the HN guidelines to you before, as this type of aggression is not ideal for this space. I understand you are very invested in this story - many people are, myself included. But this type of comment is not appropriate for Hacker News.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> The court will judge the matter collectively in due time in accordance with Brazilian due process, but judges have the power to decide matters immediately when needed before waiting for the court.

I am not familiar with what you’re claiming here about the matter being judged collectively in due time with Brazilian due process - care to share a source?

I do think though that you aren’t quite responding to the point the GP comment made: First, X has nowhere to appeal to because the Supreme Court has refused to hear their appeals so far, which is something X has stated publicly. And of course, the person issuing these secret censorship orders is a member of the Brazilian Supreme Court, so there is also the conflict of interest. There may be no way to eliminate conflict of interest at this highest level court since other justices may feel intimidated by Alexandre de Moraes’s power, or they may simply be on his side as professional friends.

Also, this isn’t just my opinion. Many articles about Alexandre de Moraes mention the lack of paths for appeal. For example the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/world/americas/bolsonaro-...) said:

> Mr. Moraes has jailed five people without a trial for posts on social media that he said attacked Brazil’s institutions. He has also ordered social networks to remove thousands of posts and videos with little room for appeal.

Second, the GP comment made the point that the judiciary was functioning as the executive and legislative branches. They are correct about that, since no new legislation was passed to give Alexandre de Moraes this power. He effectively gave himself this power from the electoral court he was president of, by proposing to the court that he be granted these unilateral powers. That happened in 2022, and was flagged by journalists and legal experts as a threat to democracy at the time.

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Several folks in Brazil had much to choose from out of Threads, Mastodon and Bluesky as alternatives to Twitter / X. Now that X got banned in Brazil and to potentially lose over 100M+ users we are starting to see which platforms they are choosing to sign up to. So far, Bluesky is seeing a surge in user registrations after the invite system was lifted a year ago. I would expect Threads to also see a surge in registrat…

Mastadon is the green ribbon worn by 13 people out of 57 people attending a conference out of 230 million people in that country who were there to condemn, in strong terms, the privatisation of the national health service.

Thread doesn’t stand a chance. I don’t have an Instagram account. So I am not going to create one for Threads. Nope. I know friends and colleagues who detest even the idea of this connection even though they have accounts.

Meta/Fb didn’t create X/Tw competition/alternative. They created an Instagram add-on.

Does bsky stand a chance? Probably? Does ATProto stand a chance? Nope, it doesn’t. Sad, but it doesn’t. It has the same Mastadon problems - not technical but practical.

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Bluesky can become the modern version of Orkut.

Or, hopefully, of Twitter.

Nooooooooooo! I loved Orkut. Only social network I have fond memories of. I hope it doesn’t become X.

Its demise had felt sad. Really sad. Hatred for Google hadn’t taken proper shape by then. And it had died before being completely Googlified.

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> Stop talking about stuff you don't understand. I’ve mentioned the HN guidelines to you before, as this type of aggression is not ideal for this space. I understand you are very invested in this story - many people are, myself included. But this type of comment is not appropriate for Hacker News. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > The court will judge the matter collectively in due time in accordance…

> I am not familiar with what you’re claiming here about the matter being judged collectively in due time with Brazilian due process - care to share a source?

Top article on G1: https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2024/09/01/primeira-tu...

Translated to English via ChatGPT for you: https://pastebin.com/raw/1KNU6Q3F

These aren't "secret censorship orders". They are a matter of public record.

Also they are perfectly legal. Brazil has a modern "Internet Law" which in its Section III, Article 19 states:

"Art. 19. In order to ensure freedom of expression and prevent censorship, the provider of internet applications can only be subject to civil liability for damages resulting from content generated by third parties if, after an specific court order, it does not take any steps to, within the framework of their service and within the time stated in the order, make unavailable the content that was identified as being unlawful, unless otherwise provided by law."

https://www.cgi.br/pagina/marco-civil-law-of-the-internet-in...

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> Moraes was granted that authority by the Supreme Court, so it is legal. This is not exactly true, so let me explain it. Moraes is himself a justice on the Supreme Court. He was not granted authority by it. His own claim actually acknowledges that no new laws (either legislation or constitutional amendments) were passed to give him this power. Instead his claimed power rests on something more confusing and again, il…

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Could you please stop breaking the site guidelines? You've unfortunately been doing that badly and repeatedly in this thread, and we have to ban accounts that abuse the site this way.

I have no idea whether you're right or wrong on the topic—actually I don't even know what side you're on, or even what the sides are—but your posts have repeatedly crossed the line into being abusive and that's not cool.

I'm sure you can make your substantive points thoughtfully if you choose to, so please do that instead.

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Freedom of speech is a general conception of human rights, not any one particular law. Governments can choose to respect (or not!) those rights, but the idea applies to everyone.

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You can't attack another user like this on HN, no matter how wrong they are or you feel they are. We have to ban accounts that abuse the site like that, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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