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The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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Human body is very flawed. Damage to this nerve can result in systemic failure. When are we going to get an update? Evolution, pls fix!1

Maybe we can replace it with a CAN bus. Or PCI express. https://xkcd.com/644

Elon Muskollini is working on it. Imagine a subscription service 1000€ for another month to live. Living as a Service. The shareholders are ecstatic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuralink

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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Just a random "vagus nerve story". A while back, I started having weird heart flutters that turned out to be extra heartbeats (doctors call them PVCs and PACs). Sometimes I'd be fine for days or even weeks, but then they'd come back pretty bad. After a bit, I noticed these flutters were linked to what I ate, which seemed really strange. I couldn't figure out how my food could make my heart skip beats. I saw a bunch o…

I've also had a couple brushes with vagus nerve stimulation. While in a specialized chiropractor's office undergoing traction to correct an old neck injury, I passed out. Apparently this is quite common, especially when blood sugar is low. The vagus nerve does all sorts of weird stuff, including acting like an off switch.

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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My story is very similar. Have had tons of pain and muscle related problems for decades - played a ton of sports like you when i was a kid, and did a lot of physical risk-taking too (skateboarding, bmx-style biking taking them off jump-ramps...) and also had lots of injuries. On top of chronic pain, I had (and still have but is greatly reduced) muscle clenching on the left side of my body - for some reason my body on…

Please don't take this the wrong way but I'm very curious if either of you have heavily modified your diet in an effort to remove part of the pain cycle? A low inflammatory diet might help from my own personal experience with diabolical pain.

No problem at all, great question because, as you know with your own pain, complex health problems are difficult to solve.

Actually yeah, have been basically eat a low-ish inflammatory diet for ~25 years. Ever since in my twenties, realized that I had some major health problem, took my general health very seriously, and have been eating healthy since then (eating a lot of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, and only eating meat/fish once per day). In addition, have been exercising regularly too. This definitely all helps, because I would have felt completely miserable if my general health was also bad.

But seems like when it's a damaged nerve, then diet, exercise, and massage/accupressure can only do so much. The nerve is always firing and basically an electric circuit that is always on. The method that was worked in my case is to find a way to shut off that circuit.

And glad you found a low inflammatory diet helped you:)

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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My vagus nerves were constantly being compressed until roughly 4 months ago, when I had bilateral Eagle's syndrome surgeries - Eagle's syndrome a hardening, calcification-ossification of ligaments that connect from the styloid process and wrap around the neck connecting to front of throat; I had played American football for all of high school and most likely the cause from reptitive injuries/trauma to the tissues. We…

Low dose Xanax (alparazolam) and meditation helped me through a flare up of tinnitus. I’m not sure to what extent amplified sound and amplified pain are similar though. I found that I could eventually calm down and ignore the tinnitus sound, but I’m not sure I’ve ever felt that way about pain. Maybe something to think about.

But, this is how tinnitus is handled. You have to relax and not be hypersensitive to it, because there is a feedback loop, and you don’t want to contribute to it.

Best wishes. Pain is a difficult thing to have to deal with.

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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For anecdotal data, I'm a big fan of Apollo Neuro. It's a small band worn on the wrist or ankle and vibrates to stimulate the vagus nerve. Similar effect to tapping on your wrist. The sleep mode seems to improve my deep sleep scores on my Oura ring. I haven't done any proper data analysis to confirm.

Apollo Neuro claims to have lab data proving efficacy: https://apolloneuro.com/pages/science

Even if it's more of a placebo effect, I still enjoy the benefits of devices like this.

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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My story is very similar. Have had tons of pain and muscle related problems for decades - played a ton of sports like you when i was a kid, and did a lot of physical risk-taking too (skateboarding, bmx-style biking taking them off jump-ramps...) and also had lots of injuries. On top of chronic pain, I had (and still have but is greatly reduced) muscle clenching on the left side of my body - for some reason my body on…

>> for some reason my body on the left side is clenching up, with this constant pulling on my head, pulling down and to the left. I also have severe TMJ, again on the left, and constant headache @computerdork do you have a tongue tie/lingual frenulum or narrow airways/diaphragmatic dysfunction? These things can cause extreme issues with the fascia that lead to things presenting in such a manner. If you’ve made it to…

hmm, I've always had issues with my tongue, it does not extend very far out of my mouth and my tongue is always clenched and pulling down and left as well. But it's hard to tell if this is because of tongue-tie or because if my throat muscles are tight.

I'll look more into both these, Thanks!

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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Please don't take this the wrong way but I'm very curious if either of you have heavily modified your diet in an effort to remove part of the pain cycle? A low inflammatory diet might help from my own personal experience with diabolical pain.

No problem at all, great question because, as you know with your own pain, complex health problems are difficult to solve. Actually yeah, have been basically eat a low-ish inflammatory diet for ~25 years. Ever since in my twenties, realized that I had some major health problem, took my general health very seriously, and have been eating healthy since then (eating a lot of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, and only…

I have had a couple of bouts of very painful trigeminal neuralgia, which was successfully treated with carbamazepine (an anti-convulsant). The latest bout was most likely caused by Covid.

I just wonder if there is a drug which can reduce nerve sensitivity, although I guess this is a well explored topic for you.

I have not continued the carbamazepine. In both cases, I used it for about a couple of weeks, and then stopped using to test if there would be a flare-up (and there was none).

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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It’s interesting you mention “Nobody is textbook anatomy” I know you’re exaggerating for poetic effect but this might actually be true in some parts of the human anatomy. For example the description of the anatomy of vessels and anastomoses around the knee…I have had a professor tell me that the standard anatomical descriptions for this might all essentially be fiction. Basically the variation in some of these vessel…

No, really: nobody has completely textbook anatomy. Think of it like those blended-face photos. Anatomy books describe that.

I was being prepped for wrist/arm surgery years back and the anesthesiologist got a bit flummoxed and muttere, “huh, that’s strange… let’s get an ultrasound” while trying to administer a nerve block on my arm. I asked what and they ”oh, it’s nothing to worry about, but your nerve isn’t where it is supposed to be…”, and then knocked me out before I could ask anything else.

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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My vagus nerves were constantly being compressed until roughly 4 months ago, when I had bilateral Eagle's syndrome surgeries - Eagle's syndrome a hardening, calcification-ossification of ligaments that connect from the styloid process and wrap around the neck connecting to front of throat; I had played American football for all of high school and most likely the cause from reptitive injuries/trauma to the tissues. We…

Low dose Xanax (alparazolam) and meditation helped me through a flare up of tinnitus. I’m not sure to what extent amplified sound and amplified pain are similar though. I found that I could eventually calm down and ignore the tinnitus sound, but I’m not sure I’ve ever felt that way about pain. Maybe something to think about. But, this is how tinnitus is handled. You have to relax and not be hypersensitive to it, beca…

What's considered a low dose for Xanax? Never taken it before.

Re: Tinnitus -

Interesting thought to put forward, thanks.

If you still have issues with tinnitus or hypersensitive hearing, look into Berard AIT (Auditory Integration Train) - and where there's a book called "Hearing Equals Behavior: Updated and expanded" that details it, and a sound treatment that can help with all that you said.

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