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Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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post #113

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You don’t get to set the terms. Google has provided 3 reasonable ones: ads, subscription, don’t visit. You can’t walk into Best Buy and demand a TV for $7 because that’s how much profit the company makes on it. You’ll be laughed at and security may suggest you go elsewhere.

The web has provided another reasonable one: Block ads. This is Google's problem to deal with.

Theft of services is not a reasonable alternative.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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post #17

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That definitely seems like the least ethical response to finding a free donut loophole? Unless it's not a loophole at all, but just a marketing tactic deployed by the coffeemaker.

you are responding to a comment that started by justifying parasitism. To make an effective counter argument along the lines you've chosen, you need to address that part of the comment and explain why parasites in nature don't "deserve" to exist, or at least show that they are also unethical. That is/ought to be something easy to prove, right?

Responding to a comment does not imply that one disagrees with the entirety or any part of said comment and does not necessitate crafting an effective counter argument. In fact, I am not making an argument as to parasitism, parasites, or their right to exist at all.

The closest thing I am making to an argument is that, as a human, if you find what you believe to be a bug in a system and you choose to exploit the bug repeatedly for your own gain while keeping it a secret to yourself, this is, in fact, the least ethical choice you, as a human, can make. (More ethical choices include: not telling anyone but walking away and never exploiting the bug again, telling the system maintainers about the bug confidentially, exposing the bug publicly, etc...)

And I guess, in some way, my response is implying that wanting other humans to make the least ethical choice in these sorts of situations and displaying animosity towards those who make a more ethical choice is a little bit strange.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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post #123

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you are responding to a comment that started by justifying parasitism. To make an effective counter argument along the lines you've chosen, you need to address that part of the comment and explain why parasites in nature don't "deserve" to exist, or at least show that they are also unethical. That is/ought to be something easy to prove, right?

Responding to a comment does not imply that one disagrees with the entirety or any part of said comment and does not necessitate crafting an effective counter argument. In fact, I am not making an argument as to parasitism, parasites, or their right to exist at all . The closest thing I am making to an argument is that, as a human, if you find what you believe to be a bug in a system and you choose to exploit the bug…

> the least ethical choice you, as a human, can make

you assigned me "human", but I identify as a parasite

i follow the laws of logic, and if the logic of the system gives me a donut, I will take the donut. if the logic changes and i don't get a donut, i will not complain. It is not unethical to follow the logic of the system.

now, as to you as a human, are you saying that you have never downloaded a youtube video to a file on your disk?

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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post #6

I'm torn. I'm not a huge fan of Google and I don't have a lot of respect for the YouTube selection algorithm. However this culture of expecting Google to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly. There is an unwritten social contract here. Google is willing to host and organise a vast number of videos because that'll attract an audience for ads. If there are too may fr…

"However this culture of expecting Google to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly." "Freeloading" off a $2T company. Not really. What is really going on. If Google was concerned about "freeloading" then they would not be encouraging people to store their data "in the cloud"; they would be encouraging them to store it on their own computers. Google wants people to u…

What happens when Google stops giving unlimited cloud storage to educational institutions. This was answered yesterday.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41404530

Top comment: "If [the university computer science department's] cluster somehow ever runs out of disks, I'm happy to donate a terabytes worth, but like hell I'm giving money to big-G for cloud storage."

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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post #85

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> In this scenario you’d also have to pay for bandwidth since that’s the variable cost here. For Google? You think Google get a monthly bill for their bandwidth?

Most of Google, AWS and ilks traffic is moved over settlement free peering and fixed cost infrastructure: https://www.lightreading.com/cable-technology/level-3-seals-... Whether 100TB or 1500TB of data are delivered to one ISP at one peering point in a given month has minimal effect, that 10Gbps, 100Gbps or larger port is a fixed cost that will exist regardless of traffic.

Precisely. I used to rent dedicated servers in the early 2000s that gave me such options.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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post #19

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As a content creator with seven years experience, hundreds of videos and thousands of hours of content: just charge me a fee to host my videos. I'd pay $100/month, possibly more, to run a YouTube channel without. Why is running ads the _only_ choice? Why can't a creator opt to pay to host videos on their channel with limitations? $10/month? That's 30 videos in HD max. $100? 300 videos in 4K... etc. ... or whatever. A…

> hundreds of videos and thousands of hours of content: just charge me a fee to host my videos. I'd pay $100/month $100 wouldn't even cover the storage mate. Let's say you've got 2 thousand hours of content (smallest amount that qualifies for "thousands") At 2k resolution, that'd be around 30TB And you'll want to preprocess it to 1080p, 720p, 480p, so add another 15tb for the other resolutions. And YouTube supports 4…

You literally skipped the part where I said I'd be happy to be limited to a set number of videos per channel.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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post #19

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As a content creator with seven years experience, hundreds of videos and thousands of hours of content: just charge me a fee to host my videos. I'd pay $100/month, possibly more, to run a YouTube channel without. Why is running ads the _only_ choice? Why can't a creator opt to pay to host videos on their channel with limitations? $10/month? That's 30 videos in HD max. $100? 300 videos in 4K... etc. ... or whatever. A…

What do you think of something like nebula?

It's not the second biggest search engine in the world :(

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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post #78

yup been using for 3/4 months now. tho it is filled with bugs. if you use extended screens, good luck. and a few more like app crashing, unable to handle multiple app launches at once, and so on. I am looking for a better open-source alternative tbh.

On Android, NewPipe is great (but it sometimes breaks when there are API changes).

NewPipe is another piracy app meant to steal content from YouTube creators. It is not great.

Re: Freetube is the best way to watch YouTube

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post #38

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But there is more content than there are people who can watch it. What do you think happens when the production curve grows way past the consumption curve?

Genuinely curios. What happens?

Google will be forced to delete unviewed content more frequently, or start charging for hosting video. The latter of which would probably help reduce the amount of garbage content on YouTube.
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