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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by throwadobe »

extheat wrote: post #371
fjkdlsjflkds wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is unconstitutional in Brazil per article 5 of the 1988 constitution, so X refused the orders. This is unconstitutional according to their interpretation of the (very extensive and vague) article 5 of the 1998 constitution, maybe. At the same time, if you disagree with a judicial order, you probably should appeal the order, rather than refuse/ignore it. Ignoring judicial orders has consequences. > Note that th…

Yes and appeal to whom? Himself, who’s clearly shown himself to be a partisan? Why even need an executive when your judiciary can basically unilaterally function as executive be a legislator in one? Obviously they’re is not the US, but that’s not an excuse to a ridiculous system.

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Post by lanstin »

whatshisface wrote: post #616
viburnum wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People used it to organize an attempted coup against a democratically elected government and twitter is not cooperating with the investigation.

I don't see how that argument would leave coffee shops and other gathering places able to stay open during elections.

Coup not election and if they don't cooperate with an investigation of an attempt to subvert the election with violence, they might not.

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Post by Finnucane »

nova22033 wrote: post #198

double standards? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/modi-twitter-bbc-m... “First I’ve heard,” Musk wrote in response to a question from Canadian lawyer David Freiheit. “It is not possible for me to fix every aspect of Twitter worldwide overnight, while still running Tesla and SpaceX, among other things,” he added, referring to the multiple companies where he is CEO.

He bought Twitter claiming he could fix it. Now he is too busy to fix it? Maybe he should have thought about that before spending billions on ego boo.

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Post by chasing »

pqdbr wrote: post #72
toomuchtodo wrote: post #64

“Masterful gambit, sir.” (X is facing a deep decline in revenue, cutting its valuation from $44B to ~$12B [Musk’s stake is worth ~$7B], and Musk makes a choice that drives millions of users to an alternate site: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitters-revenue-collapses-84... )

More power to him. He’s making the hard choices and paying a steep price for actually standing for free speech like no other big tech does.

Hahahaha! He’s absolutely not standing for free speech and anyone still thinking that needs to spend a few minutes actually poking around Twitter (and maybe a few minutes deconstructing what “freedom of speech” actually means). It’s a playground to promote speech he likes. And he’s a right-wing rich guy bigot whose primary mode of “argument” is either trolling or attempting to financially destroy people he disagrees with.

Concerning.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

croes wrote: post #373
matheusmoreira wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean people's speech. Whether their speech is "fake" or not is up to me to determine. I don't want any ministries of truth determining that for me. Especially not one manned by these partisan judges. And "this" as in a protest? Like countless others before? Whatever. You're not gonna call it a coup, right? Even the Wikipedia article you cited doesn't call it one.

The don't call it protest either. They call it attack and invasion. The reason why it isn't called a coup is be cause they failed. And it's not the ministry of truth but multiple independent sources in and outside Brazil. At a certain point something is obviously fake. And if it's spreading violence it reached the limit of free speech.

> attack and invasion

Aren't all protests? I don't remember many protests that didn't involve closing down roads, burning things down and whatnot. Protests that don't do things like that are usually so irrelevant they don't get Wikipedia articles written about them.

> The reason why it isn't called a coup is be cause they failed.

It's not called a coup because it wasn't one. A coup attempt would be the military seizing power by force. You know, the people with guns and tanks. A successful coup would be the military trying and succeeding.

There's simply no way you can claim a bunch of people, many of them elderly, equipped with bibles and flags, amounts to a coup attempt.

> And it's not the ministry of truth but multiple independent sources in and outside Brazil.

None of which have the power to censor anything. As it should be.

> At a certain point something is obviously fake.

If it's so obviously fake, then you don't need any censorship either. The fakeness will be self-evident.

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Post by xenospn »

nova22033 wrote: post #198

double standards? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/modi-twitter-bbc-m... “First I’ve heard,” Musk wrote in response to a question from Canadian lawyer David Freiheit. “It is not possible for me to fix every aspect of Twitter worldwide overnight, while still running Tesla and SpaceX, among other things,” he added, referring to the multiple companies where he is CEO.

I wonder who’s fault is that?

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Post by nebula8804 »

energy123 wrote: post #325
verdverm wrote: post #70

I left Xitter about 6 weeks ago and went all in on Bluesky. Took time to give feedback to the algo, but it's doing much better these days. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much, you'll get the same news & events on Bluesky. A lot of people who were scared of losing their following are reporting more, better engagement with lower follower counts. What I really like about it is the ATProto, which while imperfect, s…

I want a social network like X/BlueSky but it uses a community notes style algorithm to decide what content to show me instead of raw engagement. Should get rid of the trolls as Paul Graham wants to happen.

What happens when Community Notes gets "gamed" like what supposedly happens sometimes on ...Community Notes?

One example can be that there is a mass attempt at pushing some viewpoint, it may not stick long term but it sticks for the duration of time the content is viewed by the most amount of people. Kind of like how upvote bots mess with Reddit.

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Post by xenospn »

somenameforme wrote: post #648
kelnos wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, true. But the problem is that Musk, rich has he is, can't run Twitter indefinitely without revenue (more than he's getting today, and it's likely declining). He needs it to perform financially if it's to continue to be a going concern.

He's going the other route - lower costs. He got rid of the overwhelming majority of staff, moved (or is moving?) the HQ out of San Francisco and California - meaning lower costs + lower tax, and so on. So while revenue has decreased, so have costs. In later 2023 he stated that it was expected for Twitter to be profitable early in 2024. Given there was no follow up announcement I doubt this goal was achieved, but it…

Musk expects many things. Very few come true.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by enaaem »

open4glabs wrote: post #249
riverrunn01 wrote: post #223

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Nope Im Brazilian. And all of this started way before. These orders were not imbalanced -- the blocking of X accounts -- (Ok VPN now is). Musk after several court decisions decided to not comply, even after all involved received due process. It's not, in the slightest, censorship at all. What really happened was violation of ellection rules on daily basis, specially on X but many other social also were fined. META, T…

Nope, I'm Brazilian and this is "censorship at all"!

What people don't get is that mild "censorship" is desirable even under common Libertarian ideologies.

The general rule is that you have the freedom to do and say whatever you want as long as you don't harm others.

Unrestricted free speech simply does not exist and any free society will have mild censorship, otherwise a lot of terrorists, criminals and fraudsters could defend themselves under free speech.

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