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Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by mike_hearn »

chgs wrote: post #186
jkaplowitz wrote: post #80

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Many countries do put restrictions on this. Some examples: Until literally this year, the UK removed the right to vote after 15 years of living abroad, and Canada even used to restrict that right to just 5 years. Even now, civilian US citizens living abroad whose intent to return to live in the US is uncertain or who don't intend to return, and Canadian citizens living abroad regardless of intent to return, are only…

Indeed the U.K. did not give the right to vote for U.K. citizens living in the EU when there was a vote about stripping their citizenship.

Yes they did. You could vote in the referendum from abroad (I did). There's no such thing as EU citizenship anyway, so nobodies citizenship changed as a result.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by mikrotikker »

janice1999 wrote: post #159
mikrotikker wrote: post #143

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Sunset clauses would be great. Every X years they have to vote to re enable the law or it becomes deactivated. 1 year of deactivation gets it wiped.

In reality these powers get renewed forever. See "Senate passes bill renewing key FISA surveillance power moments after it expires" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-renews-fisa...

Bugger

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by chgs »

mike_hearn wrote: post #261
chgs wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed the U.K. did not give the right to vote for U.K. citizens living in the EU when there was a vote about stripping their citizenship.

Yes they did. You could vote in the referendum from abroad (I did). There's no such thing as EU citizenship anyway, so nobodies citizenship changed as a result.

Of course there is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_citizenship

Anyone living for more than 15 years was denied the right to vote but not denied the right to have their citizen forcibly removed against their will.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by blumomo »

glenstein wrote: post #158
blumomo wrote: post #138

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True. If only these elected leaders wouldn’t be controlled by institutions and individuals who (1) are handlers to the elected leaders and (2) are not even elected in the first place. In the US, who currently has the power over your country? Is it your Biden (where is he?), your Harris? It someone else, maybe unelected?

>Is it your Biden (where is he?) He's currently at Rehoboth Beach in Delaware and he will be campaigning in Pittsburgh on Monday. https://rollcall.com/factbase/biden/topic/calendar/ https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/30/us/politics/harris-biden-...

At the beach again! What a great life as a president! I’m sure he gets to solve many of the US problems thinking carefully at the beach…

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by mike_hearn »

chgs wrote: post #263
mike_hearn wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes they did. You could vote in the referendum from abroad (I did). There's no such thing as EU citizenship anyway, so nobodies citizenship changed as a result.

Of course there is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_citizenship Anyone living for more than 15 years was denied the right to vote but not denied the right to have their citizen forcibly removed against their will.

Well just go ahead and apply to Brussels to get your EU passport back then?

Obviously you can't, because there's no such thing as EU citizenship. It doesn't grant citizenship, and cannot because that would require it to be an independent nation recognized by other nations as such. There is only citizenship of member states. Playing with words doesn't make something real, it only confuses people.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by chgs »

mike_hearn wrote: post #266
chgs wrote: post #263

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Of course there is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_citizenship Anyone living for more than 15 years was denied the right to vote but not denied the right to have their citizen forcibly removed against their will.

Well just go ahead and apply to Brussels to get your EU passport back then? Obviously you can't, because there's no such thing as EU citizenship. It doesn't grant citizenship, and cannot because that would require it to be an independent nation recognized by other nations as such. There is only citizenship of member states. Playing with words doesn't make something real, it only confuses people.

You can state your “alternate facts” all you want while ignoring actual truth, doesn’t make you right.

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Post by gizmo »

mrtksn wrote: post #77
gizmo wrote: post #51

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I wonder if this is a copypasta? Something in these lines pops up every time someone in an EU institution proposes something controversial. That someone is usually Ylva Johansson and its quickly striken down but for some reason there's this strange narrative pushed that feels almost automated. WTF is this stuff about EU shutting down nuclear reactors? Complete fantasy world. Are you copy pasting this from somewhere o…

Regarding Germany and their nuclear power situation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany#First...

France is shutting down 14 plants:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

Belgium was also on track to close down all their nuclear plants by next year:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Belgium

Not fantasy world stuff at all. You can find a million sources for EU hostility to nuclear power, especially prior to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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Post by numberless »

consumerx wrote: post #6

https://meshtastic.org lol

Meshtastic is very much insecure (except for the encrypted direct messages they added recently) by lacking Perfect Forward Secrecy, has a limit of 38 devices on a network due to its use of flood routing and can only operate over LoRa. I would very much recommend using https://reticulum.network/ instead due to its Perfect Forward Secrecy, it's current implementation supports billions of devices (could go up to galactic scale if necessary with a one line change) and can operate over any communication system which provides "at least half-duplex operation, and provide an average throughput of 5 bits per second or greater, and supports a physical layer MTU of 500 bytes" (rabbit hole warning)

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by mrtksn »

gizmo wrote: post #268
mrtksn wrote: post #77

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I wonder if this is a copypasta? Something in these lines pops up every time someone in an EU institution proposes something controversial. That someone is usually Ylva Johansson and its quickly striken down but for some reason there's this strange narrative pushed that feels almost automated. WTF is this stuff about EU shutting down nuclear reactors? Complete fantasy world. Are you copy pasting this from somewhere o…

Regarding Germany and their nuclear power situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany#First... France is shutting down 14 plants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France Belgium was also on track to close down all their nuclear plants by next year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Belgium Not fantasy world stuff at all. You can find a million sources for EU hostility…

That’s individual countries own decisions, nothing to do with EU. There’s no such thing as hostility towards Nuclear power, here is a recent news about the EU president pushing for nuclear power: https://www.yahoo.com/news/eu-needs-more-nuclear-european-12...

There are Some countries may be closing down reactors but other countries are building new ones. Just last year Finland commissioned a new nuclear reactor.

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