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Re: Founder Mode

#91
> Steve Jobs used to run an annual retreat for what he considered the 100 most important people at Apple, and these were not the 100 people highest on the org chart. Can you imagine the force of will it would take to do this at the average company? [...] Steve presumably wouldn't have kept having these retreats if they didn't work.

Probably, but before we assume that Steve's management style was unabashedly good at scaling... well, it reminded me of this story from a former Apple employee:

https://techreflect.org/2019/05/horsey/

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There used to be a weekly meeting with Steve Jobs to go over user interfaces and workflows for macOS [...] with the higher ups [...] After this meeting, there would be a “debriefing” where one or more of the attendees of that meeting would report to the underlings. Sometimes that included people like me. [...] What was fun about these debriefings is that they were like a game of telephone.

1. Steve might say something in the weekly meeting

2. Someone would jot down what they think he said

3. The notes might get passed to someone else who would go to the debriefing

4. Someone in the debriefing would relay their version of what was written down

The debriefing was a meeting often consisting of puzzled looks.

One time an icon change was being proposed. The note we got in the debriefing was that Steve said it was “horsey”, which prompted endless discussion:

• What does horsey mean?

• Is horsey good or bad?

• How do we make something less or more horsey?

• Is the horsey-ness something minor that needs tweaking or so major that it needs to be redone?

• Did anyone just ask Steve what the hell he meant?

[...] People would sometimes present the same content [to Steve at next week's meeting] and Steve would magically “change his mind” but I often wondered whether [...] what appeared to be a change of mind was just a message that was garbled in the first place.

There was definitely an element of control as well. Some of the higher ups who had closer access to Steve wanted to exercise more control than perhaps they had. For example, the horsey comment could be tweaked to fit a change someone below Steve felt needed to be made. Since not everyone had speed dial access to Steve, it was easy to take advantage of any ambiguity.

Re: Founder Mode

#92
post #75

After two unsuccessful but still alive start-ups, I've come to very similar conclusions. Absolutely every single time I've tried to say to it anyone other than a founder I was met with disbelief that eventually turned into accusations of not knowing how to be a leader. While I do admit that I didn't fire people as quickly as I should have, most of our structural problems came from employees simply doing what was best…

This is especially when there’s less VC money available to support mediocre outcomes. It’s also on the founder to disclose the realities of the startup to employees. If we don’t raise money, we can’t pay salaries. If we don’t make a product, we won’t find customers. If we don’t find customers, we won’t raise money. It’s a never ending cycle until someone does the hard work to break the loop.

Re: Founder Mode

#93

"We hired truly great people and gave them the room to do great work. A lot of companies [...] hire people to tell them what to do. We hire people to tell us what to do. We figure we're paying them all this money; their job is to figure out what to do and tell us." -- Steve Jobs

How do you guys actually hire the superstars to join your startup as the early employees/partners? And not just the typical friend you know who's "a pretty smart guy" and his friend and so on

Re: Founder Mode

#94
post #89

When I first joined the corporate world, I finished some tasks for my team and immediately went to other teams to ask if they needed help with anything. Astonishingly, this was met with backlash. This was at a heavily culture driven company with a core value of "self employed mentality" and "breaking down silos". I don't blame my manager, it probably made him look bad in that environment. The corporate world has done…

Yeah, this is common. The cartoon version is:

1. Company: follow this cultural principle that has become high-status because some successful people and organizations have done it recently.

2. You: okay, I've genuinely internalized this principle and applied it to my situation and here are the results.

3. Your manager: not like that!

Re: Founder Mode

#95

I thought it was a great start to an idea. I think it went sideways once it decided founder mode could be studied and taught. Teaching founder mode sounds as simple as teaching creativity or how to be an individual. Founders are most likely are made up of people divergent of social thinking in some way and have a non-verbal need inside trying to get out. Founder mode is fed by an intense focus, desperation, and insig…

I don’t think he’s suggesting we can teach how to be a good founder in general. Just that we can study and then teach the difference between managing a team as a founder vs general management practices

I could sort of see that but that is almost too much common sense. Be a supportive of your precious founder.

The other question I have been asking myself is regarding the SJobs retreats. They definitely happened during the Macintosh era but were they used during the second era. My impression is that they created a toxicity. It makes sense that CEO of large organization will hear names through the grapevine and want to get direct input.

I see the founder to be idiosyncratic and there is alway tension be that a desire for consistent environment. I think a good founder is able to compartmentalize the idiosyncratic from the supportive resource mechanics were humans like consistency.

No doubt SJobs was in Founder mode when he had all the CNCs at NeXT painted black and distorting the machine's tolerances.

Re: Founder Mode

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think he’s suggesting we can teach how to be a good founder in general. Just that we can study and then teach the difference between managing a team as a founder vs general management practices

There's also the concept that companies that succeed, succeed despite themselves. You have catch the wave; otherwise you do a lot of paddling.

I'm sort of a believer in that. Since it prioritizes being lucky.

Re: Founder Mode

#97
I wasn't expecting Elon Musk as a proofreader for PG's essays. To me that's interesting just by itself.

That might be personal bias, but I think the idea that PG is developing here already stem a lot in the Agile movement (not the software one, the general one). The problem is that, as PG mention, there is probably not one founder mode, but more like a set of them. This makes their academic description harder to conceive.

Re: Founder Mode

#98

When a company is successful, by which I mean it turns a healthy profit and eventually even enough to go public, it ends up sustaining a lot more employees doing a lot less than a smaller, leaner company that can’t afford inefficiency. That doesn’t matter much to the successful company, it makes more than enough money to cover the inefficiency, and the inefficiency isn’t causing any real trouble - it just means that…

Yeah but when your company gets a real challenge, you find out if you’re filled with builders or comp optimisers.

Re: Founder Mode

#99
post #9

The big thing missing from pg’s essay is how the professional managerial class has this big filter where only those who are willing to jump through hoops for 20 years get to the c-suite. In businesses of any size it’s just not possible to get promoted straight up the ranks in your 20s no matter how good you are. Seniority trumps ability. Founders are excluded from this filter process and to nobody’s surprise founders…

> filters out the most capable and most effective people from executive positions Well, yes, because generally somebody who is actually 'the most capable and most effective' will simply be running their own business, why would they waste time climbing the ranks to work for somebody else's yacht? The filter exists because whilst PMCs can't build the ship, a founder can, they're fine at keeping it away from the rocks e…

> somebody who is actually 'the most capable and most effective' will simply be running their own business, why would they waste time climbing the ranks

Maybe I'm being naive, but I think a large part of running a successful business is having a well defined niche / problem you solve. Getting to that point comes with a bunch of barriers and risks, and joining an organization that has that already figured out seems like it can have some advantages?

Re: Founder Mode

#100

When a company is successful, by which I mean it turns a healthy profit and eventually even enough to go public, it ends up sustaining a lot more employees doing a lot less than a smaller, leaner company that can’t afford inefficiency. That doesn’t matter much to the successful company, it makes more than enough money to cover the inefficiency, and the inefficiency isn’t causing any real trouble - it just means that…

A really special failure mode is to hire management from proper grown up companies to implement real processes for your aspirationally-real startup. Serious economic misunderstanding on multiple levels and a popular choice nevertheless.
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