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Are you implying that Europe hasn’t had hundreds of wars where empires conquered areas in Europe? Genuinely asking for clarification.
"conquering" is not "colonialism".
Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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I seriously doubt the indirect support for the war in Yemen or in Sudan through proxies even comes close to the direct support for Israel. Also please dont dismiss opposing views as irrelevant copy pastas. Im not blind to your argument either. If you have sources that say the level of support is similar after all ill consider them.
The logical implication of your reasoning is that if the U.S. were to drop 5 bombs on the people of Sudan, that killed a few dozen people, US involvement would be even more direct and therefore that would make protesting the deaths of hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of people morally justified?
As long as the US does not drop bombs, however, it’s completely moral to ignore these deaths altogether?
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Your comment relies on the assumption that the headline from The Economist properly represents world issues. There is no reason to assume this.
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Very sincerely: You are no better. Consider reading what you just wrote, perhaps looking in the mirror, and reevaluating your thought process. Even for Hacker News I expect better than this.
I am annoyed and bored by this rhetoric, when something doesn't suit you, try to attack, the truth is you're starving and bombing people and journalists for "teaching them for next time", there's no look in the mirror, you're criminals. The journalists supported Hamas too?
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what are you suggesting
Bring back colonization for limited amount of time ie 50years. During that time establish government, educational, civil structures and start the economy. Re-educate the society, instill the values of high-trust society. Pull out of the country gradually replacing foreigners with local population. The name 'colonization' might evoke some sentiments, but we can call this some other name.
Won't work. Loyalties are family, village, tribe, city, etc. There is no "State loyalty" in these countries to build democratic institutions on. One group will take power and then use that power to benefit their group. Sudan is a tribal war in everything but name. I think the best you can hope for is a beneficent dictator.
In short term if you want to stop this particular war make UAE and Egypt hurt as they are funding the groups.
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I seriously doubt the indirect support for the war in Yemen or in Sudan through proxies even comes close to the direct support for Israel. Also please dont dismiss opposing views as irrelevant copy pastas. Im not blind to your argument either. If you have sources that say the level of support is similar after all ill consider them.
According to this The Guardian article (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/09/us-israel-weap...) US exports of weapons are at about 3.3bln.
According to this article (https://www.brookings.edu/articles/its-time-to-stop-us-arms-...) US exports to Saudis are more in $ value:
> In the five years before the war, U.S. arms transfers to Saudi Arabia amounted to $3 billion; between 2015 and 2020, the U.S. agreed to sell over $64.1 billion worth of weapons to Riyadh, averaging $10.7 billion per year. Sales to other belligerents in the war, like the United Arab Emirates (UAE), also rose exponentially.
Not sure about the quality of these sources, but these seem to not be complete garbage and they suggest at least comparable volumes of weapons export.
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Resolutions to the conflicts Israel has with its neighbors are complicated for many reasons. Lasting peace requires a willingness to compromise and to stick to agreements made, which is extremely difficult politically. The moral questions are not that difficult. Do Jewish and Palestinian people have a right to live in their holy land? Yes. Do they have the right to unlawfully occupy land, murder or terrorize or torture their neighbors? No.
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I seriously doubt the indirect support for the war in Yemen or in Sudan through proxies even comes close to the direct support for Israel. Also please dont dismiss opposing views as irrelevant copy pastas. Im not blind to your argument either. If you have sources that say the level of support is similar after all ill consider them.
Labelling support for one as "indirect" and the other as "direct" is begging the question via rhetorical framing. The Saudis wouldn't have a functioning military if it wasn't for US support, they receive more weapons as a percentage of their arms from the US than Israel does.
I don't want to split hairs and do bean counting. But the level of passion surrounding the war in Gaza and the level of detachment surrounding the war in Yemen is a contrast that can't be explained by your hypothesis. There's a mental fixation and a level of moralizing that tells me other factors are more salient.
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> This kind of sensational event is what social media was designed for I agree with you! It's much harder to do viral tictoks with harmed israelis, because they built a marvelous defense system, so palestinian rockets (or terrorists) just don't get through.
I feel like that’s a bit like saying it’s fine for an adult to kick a kid. The kid was asking for it after all, even if the adult was never in any danger.
So you say that palestinians as a society are politically incapacitated like kids, and should be governed by some external authority until their society matures enough to self-govern?