> only the third time in the past 20 years
Only the third time in the last 20 years? I thought we were firmly past this…
Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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> I suspect all the aid and help over the decades has really just prolonged things Can you be more specific about the counterfactual? I’m assuming you’re not imagining that the country’s population would have just fallen to 0 absent aid, but I can’t figure out how you’re so sure things would have been better run
Treating “Sudan” as an actual entity to be helped. Consider it has failed as a political concept (the state of Sudan) and allow the people that inhabit it figure out what the borders and political entities actually are. By delivering aid to Sudan and treating it like a real entity you only prolong suffering in the region as factions fight over control of it.
Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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How did so many people come to live in a desert? Was it not always a desert? What sustained these people to get to 46 million?
Massive amounts of food aid combined with patriarchal religion.
There's a political co-factor on food subsidies and keeping prices in a range in the West.
Edit: fertility rate 4.46 births per woman (2021)
Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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what are you suggesting
Bring back colonization for limited amount of time ie 50years. During that time establish government, educational, civil structures and start the economy. Re-educate the society, instill the values of high-trust society. Pull out of the country gradually replacing foreigners with local population. The name 'colonization' might evoke some sentiments, but we can call this some other name.
Democracy export? That has worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan...
Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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> Truth is Sudan has been at war since it was decolonized in the 1950s There have been internal conflicts, but nothing at the scale of the 2023 Civil War. > I suspect all the aid and help over the decades has really just prolonged things It's being fueled by the proxy war between Iran, UAE, KSA, Egypt, and Ethiopia.
First Sudanese Civil War was 1955 – 1972. Second Sudanese Civil War was 1983 – 2005.
Up to a million deaths in the first civil war and between one and two million deaths in the second civil war.
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> Why was the famine in Gaza so hot when Sudan's famine is two orders of magnitude worse?
The proclamation by UN is regarding a specific refugee camp (Zamzam) that doesn't have any governance, not Sudan as a whole. Gaza has governance, so any famine in Gaza would be announced by the government there, not UN, as far as I understand things.
Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
what are you suggesting
Bring back colonization for limited amount of time ie 50years. During that time establish government, educational, civil structures and start the economy. Re-educate the society, instill the values of high-trust society. Pull out of the country gradually replacing foreigners with local population. The name 'colonization' might evoke some sentiments, but we can call this some other name.
Yeah, because this worked so great last time.
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Gaza is not just about the suffering but also the fact that the suffering is directly caused by a rich Western nation enabled by all other rich Western nations. As far as I can tell the US is not supplying the army of Sudan with billions of cash, munition, weapons and unconditionally political backing.
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Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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> Did the famine in Sudan suddenly get worse, or do social media networks not properly represent world issues? This thread is going nowhere pretty. But if you want an honest answer to this, the answer is obviously no social networks don’t properly represent world issues. There are a myriad of reasons for this in the case of the Gaza famine some legitimate and some illegitimate, but one I would call fairly legitimate…
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