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Post by johnisgood »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #478
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #344

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> he legitimately believes that “the woke mind virus” is an existential threat to our society Sure. I don't think he's a hypocrite. He has , however, hyper fixated on a topic that's in vogue in tech circles but totally irrelevant elsewhere. Unlike in technology, where one can credibly fail upwards, doing that in politics comes at the cost of influence. And in this block order we're seeing, tangibly, the consequences…

The reason I don't move to the USA is because of woke people, scary numbers of mental health and crime. The reason I moved country is because woke politics is making life worse. Crime is through the roof, kids can't go out in the cities by themselves because it's too dangerous. They started doing mandatory "gender identity" education in school, teaching crap to my kids. I'm still in Europe and observing a progressive…

Some countries in Eastern Europe actively opposes gender stuff (it is banned in education). I do not know why "gender" is being asked in the first place, it should be "sex", and that is biological. Why do we ask for gender on websites, for example? What is the purpose of it, really?

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Post by bluescrn »

kstenerud wrote: post #503
klrmvn wrote: post #491

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It is sad that free speech became a dog whistle. Post WW2 up to at least 2000 free speech was a strong position of the left, Noam Chomsky being one of the most prominent examples. Musk isn't hard right. There is a lot of overlap positions between him and Bill Clinton (the original one from the 1990s, I do not know what he says now), except that Musk is anti-war and obviously talks like he was on Usenet. I can't under…

> Even Zuckerberg now backpedals and says that Covid censorship and suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story was a mistake. It's easy to say with the benefit of hindsight what was a mistake and what was not. Some things need to be censored - that's how it's always been. The question, of course, is WHAT needs to be censored, HOW MUCH it needs to be censored, HOW it should be censored, and WHO decides. In the old d…

> Some things need to be censored - that's how it's always been.

No. There are very few things that 'need to be censored' by the government (or corporations with almost government-level power), and it's hard to think of any beyond CSAM or legitimate threats to national security.

On the other hand, there are a lot of things that children should be protected from. But we're failing miserably at that. They're watching extreme porn and gore while the censors are focusing on silencing adults with the wrong political views.

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Post by bravetraveler »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #488
kstenerud wrote: post #421

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Looking at the responses, I can see that people are still viewing this through the limited lens of left vs right. This is of course a thing in that nobody can hide their colors anymore, but I'm specifically talking about the rich now feeling empowered enough that they even have the hubris to challenge governments of the world for their own benefit, and in some cases even build their own empires to escape the limitati…

As an outsider, I can't help but feel that the American election system that boils everything down to just two parties imposes a limited binary lens onto at least the American view of the world.

Intentional false dichotomy serves many purposes, yes

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Post by [deleted] »

wkat4242 wrote: post #400
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #375

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He believes the woke mind virus is a threat because he has a trans kid.

Yeah so much for supporting your children in their chosen life path :'( Imagine having to completely break contact with your own father because he hates who you are so much :'( https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-61880709

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Post by johnisgood »

moefh wrote: post #448
mikrotikker wrote: post #431

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Better to stand strong in the principles of the 1st amendment than bend the knee to a foreign government. Free speech is the milk of the gods, the US constitution is something to be coveted...

It's hard to believe that's what's happening, since Musk has previously agreed to censor posts for a foreign government[1], writing at the time: The choice is have Twitter throttled in its entirety or limit access to some tweets. Which one do you want?” One difference in that case is that Musk had close business ties to that government, so read in that whatever you want. [1] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/tw…

Limiting access due to technical reasons is not censorship. That said, I have no clue that this is what is actually happening.

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Post by jajko »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #488
kstenerud wrote: post #421

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Looking at the responses, I can see that people are still viewing this through the limited lens of left vs right. This is of course a thing in that nobody can hide their colors anymore, but I'm specifically talking about the rich now feeling empowered enough that they even have the hubris to challenge governments of the world for their own benefit, and in some cases even build their own empires to escape the limitati…

As an outsider, I can't help but feel that the American election system that boils everything down to just two parties imposes a limited binary lens onto at least the American view of the world.

No country that I know of adopted US election system. Its beyond obscure, unfair and set to be rigged for anybody looking from outside, with no normal way out. Its just not resilient enough to everchanging society. I know the historical reasons, but only fools get stuck in the past ways at all costs 'because, you know, in the past, XYZ so we are where we are so suck it up' when its clearly not beneficial to general population.

One reasons out of ocean of reasons - number of actual votes for X or Y is irrelevant, its all about blocks based on some old history nobody should care about much anymore that decide winner. Freedom of choice is very limited, strong populists like trump have much bigger and long lasting effect than in more multipolar elections.

But for sure its a spectacle for masses for a good year and polarizes society for whatever bad reasons there are, that should be concerned about more serious topics than this.

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Post by antimemetics »

brightball wrote: post #214
pfraze wrote: post #113

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Speaking entirely personally as I don't handle those questions at bsky. I couldn't even begin to comment without seeing knowing what the court orders were and what the cases are. Every social company operating internationally runs into this issue, and it's daunting to say the least. So, again, this is not something I decide. What I can say is that the protocol is a neutral global layer for data, which can then enable…

X has just started sharing all of them in response. https://x.com/alexandrefiles/status/1829979981130416479?s=46...

Rather someone on Twitter shared some text - these aren’t the original court orders - they are at best a paraphrase by someone with a certain agenda.

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Post by akie »

tm-guimaraes wrote: post #511
kstenerud wrote: post #494

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It happens in multiparty systems as well. All it takes is a significant portion of the population feeling like their voices are not heard, and then one of the parties taking up their banner as one part of the overall campaign (which doesn't even have to be in their new constituents' interests). This is happening all over Europe as we speak. And even though it happens to be extreme-right atm, it doesn't have to be. We…

And Europe is actually resisting better than US due to election system. Here in best case scenario they are number 2, and took them a long time to get there after Trump In the US, a populist just needs to win a primary, ie 50% of 50% of the American votes, and he is immediately at least nr2 in the run, and they get the support of one of the major parties. Saying that populists / extremists also exist in Europe is jus…

The extreme right won the Dutch elections though - and they’re not the only country - so your argument that “best case (...) number 2” isn’t true. They can and do win elections.

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Post by bad_user »

kelnos wrote: post #463
bad_user wrote: post #345

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When it comes to human rights, unfortunately, the notion got perverted by USSR and its allies. The difference between the US and the rest of the world is that the US has the First Amendment, which it upholds. So, for example, in the US "hate speech" is not banned, and while inciting violence is banned, it must be literal incitement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_Stat... This is important, be…

> the US has the First Amendment, which it upholds [...] and while inciting violence is banned So the US only upholds 1A when it decides it wants to. In other words, no, it doesn't really uphold it. (And for the record, I'm mostly fine with that! I'm tired of this idea that absolute free speech is a thing, that people actually have it in large numbers, and that if they did, it would actually be a good thing.)

If you came up with that conclusion you know nothing about how US's justice system works.

I don't know what "absolute" means for you, but yes, free speech is good, the more free it is, the better. As to your popularity fallacy, consider that for most of our time on earth, constant war and slavery were normal, and our grand-grandparents knew both.

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