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Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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At which point we admit that current approaches to helping these countries does nothing and we reach out for other, radical, approaches and ideas?

Sudan is in a civil war that is being used as a proxy war by Iran, UAE, Egypt, Saudi, Ethiopia, and other regional states is NOT caused by issues with donors

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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I am very sad to watch this situation.

I spent 3 weeks driving my 4x4 through Sudan in early 2019 [1], just a month before they finally got rid of Al-Bashir, and it was incredible.

The people of Sudan were some of the kindest and friendliest I have ever encountered on the planet. When I asked for directions to buy bread and it turned out to be complicated, the following morning locals brought a bag of fresh-baked bread to my campsite and refused to let me pay for it no matter how much I insisted. Their currency was already falling so fast I was getting a better rate for USD cash every day.

Gas at the time was $0.35USD / gallon - though the lineups were days long. The locals never let me wait in line and insisted I skip it every time.

Later in the North I met a very kind man who invited me for delicious coffee every day just to sit and talk. He again refused to let me pay for it and was clearly very proud of his country and people. On the second and third day I brought pastries to share. He said for decades it would have been unthinkable to talk out loud about getting rid of Al-Bashir, but during my visit it was starting to almost be acceptable. He did warn me to keep my voice down and leave my big camera in my 4x4 - people were edgy.

Sudan is on the list of 5 "evil" countries, just because I visited for three weeks I can never again get an ESTA (visa waiver) to enter the USA. It makes crossing the border much harder, especially when I live in Canada (not yet a Canadian citizen).

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqtfwlfDAw

or text if you prefer (hit next article at the bottom of each post) http://theroadchoseme.com/to-khartoum

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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> Truth is Sudan has been at war since it was decolonized in the 1950s

There have been internal conflicts, but nothing at the scale of the 2023 Civil War.

> I suspect all the aid and help over the decades has really just prolonged things

It's being fueled by the proxy war between Iran, UAE, KSA, Egypt, and Ethiopia.

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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Ah yes, blame the lack of rulers and not colonialism or war.

Every single piece of land on Earth has been attacked and colonized at least once. Why have some peoples managed to do well and others so bad? I think there's something more to learn.

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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> I suspect all the aid and help over the decades has really just prolonged things Can you be more specific about the counterfactual? I’m assuming you’re not imagining that the country’s population would have just fallen to 0 absent aid, but I can’t figure out how you’re so sure things would have been better run

I didn’t write the comment you replied to but often what happens is that politicians in Wealthy Country send aid to Poor Country so they can say they did something. The aid often props up the Baddies in Poor Country and doesn’t reach the people who need it most.

The Dictator’s Handbook covers this topic I think.

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