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Post by mikrotikker »

input_sh wrote: post #338
nox101 wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so strange for you to blame this on Musk. Twitter was already super partisan long before he took it over

Who else is there to blame for Twitter refusing to designate a representative, leading to a ban? I'm sure pre-Musk Twitter wouldn't have lost the entire market in the 7th most populous country.

Better to stand strong in the principles of the 1st amendment than bend the knee to a foreign government. Free speech is the milk of the gods, the US constitution is something to be coveted...

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Post by a_victorp »

nova22033 wrote: post #198

double standards? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/modi-twitter-bbc-m... “First I’ve heard,” Musk wrote in response to a question from Canadian lawyer David Freiheit. “It is not possible for me to fix every aspect of Twitter worldwide overnight, while still running Tesla and SpaceX, among other things,” he added, referring to the multiple companies where he is CEO.

The difference is that, in Brazil, he would be censoring the far right and Musk wouldn't do that

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Post by pmdr »

smrtinsert wrote: post #417
neonsunset wrote: post #413

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Brazil already has laws allowing it to censor websites, what is new here? It seems the judge is targeting accounts related to gangs of misinformation run by supporters of Bolsanaro and may have been involved in their Jan 6 (Jan 23). What context is missing? If anything it seems like Musk seems to be attacking the sovereignty of a nation because he agrees with anything far right these days.

Banning a company from doing business in your country is one thing, free speech be damned. But immediately threatening your own people with ungodly fines is authoritarianism pure and simple. Love or hate Musk, it's still not justified.

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Post by energy123 »

eterps wrote: post #404
energy123 wrote: post #325

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I want a social network like X/BlueSky but it uses a community notes style algorithm to decide what content to show me instead of raw engagement. Should get rid of the trolls as Paul Graham wants to happen.

Can you expand on your thoughts a bit? Do you envision that a very large amount of posts get reviewed in a community notes style?

The algorithm would analyze the post's/user's likes. If a post/user is liked by people who often disagree, then boost the engagement of that post/user. If a post/user is liked by an echo chamber, then deboost it.

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Post by n_plus_1_acc »

hexage1814 wrote: post #408
Adrian_Ferreira wrote: post #287

I'm from Brazil and this judge is totally out of control. I agree that X needs to have a legal representative in Brazil, this is correct anywhere, but he threatened a fine of 200k and imprisonment to the person Musk appointed as representative if his stricture orders were not complied with. He threatened us to pay $9k in fines per day if we use VPN to access X. Unless you are part of the government base, it is diffic…

>but he threatened a fine of 200k and imprisonment to the person Musk appointed as representative if his stricture orders were not complied with Moraes essentially wanted a hostage. Executives of companies shouldn't be arrested for things they have no power over, such as content moderation. My guess is that Moraes wanted to force Musk's company to not have a legal representative in the country, because the moment you…

Executives have, by definition, cobtrol over everything inside their company.

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Post by amarant »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #383
jdietrich wrote: post #364

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I remember when the Toyota Prius was a potent symbol of everything that was wrong with smug liberals. Lazy comedians still use the Prius as a punchline. Why doesn't a Tesla Model 3 carry the same sort of political baggage? Why don't right-wing conspiracy theorists consider Musk to be part of the "WHO/WEF globalist elite", despite the fact that he's a tech billionaire who is literally trying to plug people's brains in…

Funny thing is that he is poisoning his own well by making leftwing people , who are much more likely to drive an EV, abhor him and Tesla. It’s not only happening in the US but has also started to happen in other countries like Australia.

It's in full swing here in Sweden too. Me and a close colleague bought new cars a couple of months apart. My left-leaning teammates who are usually pretty climate aware only offered congratulations to my colleagues new gasgussler, but had some criticisms for me who bought a Tesla.

I found it weird tho, like fair, they were pissed about Twitter, but surely the planet is the bigger issue?

Musk has pissed off the left to the point where the left is not thinking clearly about him and his companies anymore. Regardless of what you think about Musk, Tesla is actually pretty great.

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Post by close04 »

extheat wrote: post #369
input_sh wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who else is there to blame for Twitter refusing to designate a representative, leading to a ban? I'm sure pre-Musk Twitter wouldn't have lost the entire market in the 7th most populous country.

There is much more story that you’re either uninformed about or willfully ignoring. The correct move was to remove people from harms way for decisions they have no control over, hence their staff exit from the country.

Musk and his people officially don’t have any control over political decisions taken in any country, be it Brazil, Germany, or even home in the US. And they shouldn’t but by virtue of a ton of money thrown towards politicians, and general US global influence, many times this happens.

So your explanation should be rewritten as “remove people from the way of legal consequences from breaking local laws they/Musk can’t control (buy) in their favor”.

It sounds like the same thing but it’s the difference between fleeing persecution and fleeing prosecution.

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Post by kelnos »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #341
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #328

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> Twitter was already super partisan long before he took it over Sure. But Elon changed teams. He used to be bipartisan. But he chose a champion in the aftermath of Covid and--by the looks of it--he's chosen a bad one. (In an alternate universe where Musk stuck to what he's good at, I could see the entire Artemis programme being delegated to SpaceX and a bipartisan adoption of Tesla as America's EV standard bearer. I…

I think people see Musk differently from how he actually is. Or at least how he sees himself. He has always said, for many years, that he got into SpaceX to work towards the goal of making humans a multiplanetary species, and he got into electric cars to work towards the goal of having a sustainable energy society. I think he legitimately believes that “the woke mind virus” is an existential threat to our society, an…

> I think he legitimately believes that “the woke mind virus” is an existential threat to our society

The issue is that many people who feel this way (seemingly Musk included) swing to the other extreme and embrace policy positions that only serve to further support and entrench systemic racism.

I'm not always comfortable with the methods and rhetoric of some social justice advocates, but I'm not going to present that as evidence that the movement they support is dangerous and we should strive for social injustice instead.

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Post by ben_w »

extheat wrote: post #369
input_sh wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who else is there to blame for Twitter refusing to designate a representative, leading to a ban? I'm sure pre-Musk Twitter wouldn't have lost the entire market in the 7th most populous country.

There is much more story that you’re either uninformed about or willfully ignoring. The correct move was to remove people from harms way for decisions they have no control over, hence their staff exit from the country.

The threats were themselves due to failing to follow a court order.

I'm not qualified to tell if the judge giving them is a partisan hack or not, just like I can't make that distinction with the judges that Musk appears to shop for in the US with what others describe as SLAPP lawsuits.

But obeying a judge isn't optional in either case.

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Post by kelnos »

jorvi wrote: post #427
jdietrich wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when the Toyota Prius was a potent symbol of everything that was wrong with smug liberals. Lazy comedians still use the Prius as a punchline. Why doesn't a Tesla Model 3 carry the same sort of political baggage? Why don't right-wing conspiracy theorists consider Musk to be part of the "WHO/WEF globalist elite", despite the fact that he's a tech billionaire who is literally trying to plug people's brains in…

> By taking sides in a partisan culture war, he has made his core mission essentially non-partisan. There is a significant amount of people choosing to not purchase a Tesla because they don’t want to be associated with Mr. Musk. SpaceX is more insulated because there is essentially no alternative. If Yspace existed, I’m sure a significant amount of people would choose to champion that instead. I think you’re vastly u…

> There is a significant amount of people choosing to not purchase a Tesla because they don’t want to be associated with Mr. Musk.

Yep, and I know people who have sold their Teslas because they don't want to be associated with Musk any longer.

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