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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Seems to be a selective rejection, as X complied with censorship orders from India [0] and Turkey [1]. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-22/india-ord... [1] https://balkaninsight.com/2024/05/23/x-appoints-representati...

Because one set of orders doesn't follow the laws of its own country[1].

[1]: https://x.com/alexandrefiles/status/1829979981130416479

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Please stop. The moment you mentioned started mixing the Executive with the Judiciary ("has support of sitting president") it became clear you are not providing pure facts, but an opinion. The way I see this: the Supreme Court asked X to remove content and accounts that main purpose were to promote hate and aggression towards the electoral system and institutions; X didn't comply; fines were issued; fines were never…

> Please stop. The moment you mentioned started mixing the Executive with the Judiciary ("has support of sitting president") it became clear you are not providing pure facts, but an opinion.

If you are going to post here, you need to engage in good faith. A five second search could have brought you to numerous articles quoting Lula where he supports Alexandre de Moraes’s actions and criticizes Musk. So yes, the executive and the judiciary are mixed because one is lending support publicly to the other. Those are the FACTS.

> The way I see this: the Supreme Court asked X to remove content and accounts that main purpose were to promote hate and aggression towards the electoral system and institutions

It doesn’t matter if accounts promote “hate and aggression towards the electoral system and institutions” (which just sounds like hyperbole for criticizing political processes) - that isn’t sufficient grounds for state enforced censorship in any free and democratic society. If you want to admit that Brazil has turned authoritarian, that’s one thing. But these convoluted narratives are wildly inaccurate and unconvincing.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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I think people see Musk differently from how he actually is. Or at least how he sees himself. He has always said, for many years, that he got into SpaceX to work towards the goal of making humans a multiplanetary species, and he got into electric cars to work towards the goal of having a sustainable energy society. I think he legitimately believes that “the woke mind virus” is an existential threat to our society, an…

I remember when the Toyota Prius was a potent symbol of everything that was wrong with smug liberals. Lazy comedians still use the Prius as a punchline. Why doesn't a Tesla Model 3 carry the same sort of political baggage? Why don't right-wing conspiracy theorists consider Musk to be part of the "WHO/WEF globalist elite", despite the fact that he's a tech billionaire who is literally trying to plug people's brains in…

Funny thing is that he is poisoning his own well by making leftwing people , who are much more likely to drive an EV, abhor him and Tesla.

It’s not only happening in the US but has also started to happen in other countries like Australia.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Here is a friendly reminder that Twitter/X started cooperating way more with government takedown requests since Musk took over [1]. So obviously Musk is not protecting free speech here because he usually doesn't do it. What is he protecting? [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or...

No he is just rubbing them the wrong way. States, governments are control freaks. They make sure only their "disinformation" must be spread (public schooling, paid academia, controlled media). Rest will be muffled.bl Before musk Twitter was aligning with them, now not much.

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> what they viewed as unconstitutional orders to censor speech. As in Brazil constitution? They don't have free speech, but freedom of expression. Read article 5 of the Brazilian constitution.

What’s the difference between Free Speech and Freedom of Expression?

If you write something, you're not technically speaking. Freedom of expression covers more broadly.

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A court ordering for social media accounts to be blocked is censorship, no question about that. If there are "election rules" that regulate what can be posted online, that's censorship. Even if people are inciting violence or formenting revolution, banning them is censorship. Most governments participate in censorship, and most people are OK with some level of censorship. But Brazil's constitution guarantees freedom…

You are down voted by people who don't understand what the word censorship means. The problem is that the censors don't call it "censorship" anymore, for vanity reasons. Leading us into this dumb modern discourse. The same thing with the word "propaganda", that is misinterpreted to always mean something bad. Each day the popular vocabulary shrinks more and more, until we're back at cave man levels. Tower of Babylon.

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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You do not understand Brazilian rule of law at all. WE have a specific bill that regulate specifically the internet and social media. We have a penal code that assure that freedom of speech it's not absolute. You do not have the right to be racis (for instance if you wear a nazi flag or post nazi content you go to jail). In 2021 the supreme court established a dept exactly to study and create legal mechanisms to unde…

A bill cannot override constitutionally granted civil liberties. The penal code is secondary to the constitution. Regardless, no law was passed to give de Moraes the powers he now claims. He even literally said that his power comes from the electoral court that he was president of, not from a constitutional amendment or legislation. Do you think the judiciary should be able to grant itself powers arbitrarily? Does it make logical sense for De Moraes to serve on one court that grants himself powers in a different court?

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A military coup d'état is unconstitutional in nearly every country, to prevent that and protect the intended way of change of government isn't a magical right but simply a duty of the government. And Musk didn't fight as hard in India or Turkey for accounts of people that did far less. There's obviously a bias, I wonder why? https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-jair-bolsonaro-spacex-s...

The actual act of a coup is unconstitutional in probably every country. But talking about a coup is not unconstitutional in many countries. For example in the US, seditious speech is protected. Anyways, Alexandre de Moraes - the Supreme Court justice in this situation - is acting unconstitutionally in multiple ways. Issuing orders to censor, ban, or arrest in secret is depriving the victims of due process and the pub…

>But talking about a coup is not unconstitutional in many countries. For example in the US, seditious speech is protected.

Unless you were already part in an attempt than it's more likely you aren't just express your opinion but coordinate your next attempt over social media.

Free speech has limit. Just look at Charles Manson, he didn't kill anybody but he talked others into.

You wouldn't call Russian orders through Telegram free speech, would you?

The same entity behaves differently on the same issue but from different requester.

By your logic every complain about racism is whataboutism.

"Why got the black man jailed for drug possession but white man got probation?

"Whataboutism!!!"

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> he legitimately believes that “the woke mind virus” is an existential threat to our society Sure. I don't think he's a hypocrite. He has , however, hyper fixated on a topic that's in vogue in tech circles but totally irrelevant elsewhere. Unlike in technology, where one can credibly fail upwards, doing that in politics comes at the cost of influence. And in this block order we're seeing, tangibly, the consequences…

What is this topic that's only in vogue in tech circles? Wokeism?

> What is this topic that's only in vogue in tech circles? Wokeism?

Wokeism as it pertains to social media's discussion of the woke mind virus. Everyone has an opinion on it. But it's not of practical relevance to most people, certainly not most voters. Sort of like modern art.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Musk regularly censors speech on twitter based on his personal prerogatives, political and otherwise.

I'm not sure what he was asked to censor, but my guess is that it's content that aligns with his political agenda and that is why he is resisting.

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